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Posted by: Adam Beamish
Date/Time: 26/03/18 15:03:00

Agree with you on many points Steve.

I haven't gone back to check but I recall that the 267 bus monitoring post closure indicated that journeys along Twickenham Road were taking on average 3 minutes longer than previously, I stress 'on average'.

But I would point that when I commuted everyday for 7 years from Brentford to either Teddington or Chersey, most of the time by car, I always had Google Maps running on my phone and it virtually never advised me that the quickest way of getting home was via Twickenham Road, or by St. Margarets Road, it always sent me via Kew Road.  And I know from the times I ignored that just how slow traffic was then in both directions along Twickenham Road.

The point being that Twickenham Road was heavily congested back then, there's many times pre 2015 I got the A316 roundabout and there was northbound Twickenham Road traffic already queuing right back to the roundabout.

And yep, it does only get worse when more residential units are built, and generally surveys confirm that traffic flows have got slower everywhere with the passage of time. 

So, one mindset (which I lean towards without being completely in agreement with it) is to restrict parking as much as possible in new developments, and make it as undesirable as possible to use the private car for short journeys that could be done by other forms of transport.

I don't think it actually works, because humans are a selfish lot, but what's the alternative ?.

The difference between me and many posters is that I don't use the Church Street matter as an example of a Council ignoring the wishes of the majority - I don't subscribe to the theory that Councillors are duty bound to the wishes of their constituents (I'd never be a Councillor for precisely that reason), and I think it's very easy to just say "oh 72% of respondents wanted x", which reminds me of these adverts you see for beauty treatments when they make similar claims and then in small print it confirms that only about 100 people were asked !.

Anyone asked "do you agree to this road closing which will increase journey times ?" they are going to say no.

Yet the same people, who drive little Timmy to school everyday instead of getting off their backsides, then complain about congestion and pollution.

When I worked at Hounslow if I'd have done a survey of "do you think the Council should take action against breaches of planning control ?", the vast majority in the west of the Borough would have said no, and the vast majority in the East would have said yes.  Doesn't make either opinion right or any more or less correct that the other.

Ultimately I'm not massively for or massively against the closure of Church Street, I can see both arguments, whereas I think other posters see it very much as a one way street (now there's an idea !).


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Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?18/03/18 12:01:00 Raymond Havelock
   Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?18/03/18 12:32:00 Vanessa Smith
      Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?18/03/18 13:08:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/03/18 14:25:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/03/18 14:58:00 Raymond Havelock
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/03/18 15:28:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/03/18 22:41:00 Raymond Havelock
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/03/18 23:12:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 14:21:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 15:06:00 Robin Dickers
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 15:32:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 17:09:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 17:50:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 18:22:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?20/03/18 19:21:00 Adam Beamish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 09:55:00 Raymond Havelock
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 09:58:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 10:03:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 10:37:00 Keith Iddon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 11:03:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 14:32:00 Keith Iddon
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?21/03/18 15:36:00 Jennifer Selig
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?23/03/18 13:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?23/03/18 14:15:00 Tim Burrell
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?23/03/18 19:46:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 10:40:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 14:57:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 15:42:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 21:11:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 21:21:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 21:28:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 21:31:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                             Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?26/03/18 14:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?26/03/18 15:03:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/03/18 21:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?26/03/18 17:38:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?26/03/18 17:42:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?26/03/18 22:47:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/03/18 14:35:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?31/03/18 11:52:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?19/04/18 19:33:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?28/04/18 09:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?28/04/18 09:51:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?28/04/18 10:10:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                     Re:Re: Lamberts Folly- Church Street Closure28/04/18 12:36:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly- Church Street Closure28/04/18 13:05:00 Anne England
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly- Church Street Closure28/04/18 13:22:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?28/04/18 14:50:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?28/04/18 15:43:00 Robin Dickers
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 12:53:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 17:33:00 Robert Thorpe
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 21:51:00 Anne England
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 23:04:00 Robin Dickers
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 22:48:00 Anne England
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/04/18 19:47:00 Joseph Gerald Bourke
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 09:01:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 10:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 12:19:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 13:13:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 14:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 14:27:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 14:41:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 14:52:00 Robin Dickers
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 18:25:00 Joseph Gerald Bourke
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 18:51:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 21:01:00 Joseph Gerald Bourke
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 21:11:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?30/04/18 21:55:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                                                                   Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 09:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 12:46:00 Scott Doyle
                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 13:05:00 Steve Taylor
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                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 14:16:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 14:33:00 Phil Andrews
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                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?01/05/18 16:58:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?02/05/18 13:52:00 Joseph Gerald Bourke
                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 15:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 17:46:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 17:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 18:04:00 Robin Dickers
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 18:40:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 20:21:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re: Lamberts Folly -Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 21:41:00 Steve Taylor
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   Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/05/18 18:14:00 Robert Ayres
      Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?04/05/18 15:31:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?10/05/18 15:39:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?12/05/18 12:57:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?12/05/18 15:45:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?12/05/18 16:08:00 Joseph Gerald Bourke
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?14/05/18 11:42:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?24/05/18 16:15:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?24/05/18 18:12:00 Vanessa Smith
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                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/05/18 00:22:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/05/18 12:26:00 Vanessa Smith
                                    Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/05/18 15:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/05/18 15:54:00 Vanessa Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?25/05/18 18:25:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?29/05/18 14:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?27/05/18 08:39:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?02/07/18 14:10:00 Steve Taylor
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                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?03/07/18 09:10:00 Steve Taylor
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                                                      :Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....08/10/19 13:14:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....08/10/19 13:58:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                            Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....08/10/19 14:39:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....08/10/19 15:17:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                            Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....09/10/19 08:44:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                               Re:Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....09/10/19 10:53:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....09/10/19 12:35:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re: Church Street closure - continued traffic chaos..Caused by Hounslow Council.....09/10/19 16:59:00 Vanessa Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?08/10/19 19:45:00 Ruth Cadbury
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?08/10/19 20:19:00 N V Brooks
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                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?09/10/19 08:52:00 Alex Shpinkov
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?10/10/19 11:25:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?10/10/19 13:06:00 Steve Taylor
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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Church Street really the reason for such huge delays?11/10/19 16:23:00 Steve Taylor
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