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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South
Posted by: Alex Shpinkov
Date/Time: 25/03/14 07:46:00

As I can see the majority on this forum disagree with my view on the CPZ benefits; however I’ve seen very few arguments supporting this disagreement. In fact, I think I’ve seen only two:

The argument that there is just not enough parking capacity to accommodate all residents needs. This does not stand: Currently there is a certain number of cars (including residents who will remain eligible to park within CPZ, and others, who will have to look for alternatives), and the parking capacity. At the end of the day, all cars get parked somewhere. So we have to admit that currently there is at least a tight equilibrium, where the number of cars does not exceed the parking capacity. Once a CPZ is introduced, the number of cars in need of parking will reduce, but the parking capacity will remain (the argument that once the parking bays are marked, the parking capacity will reduce, doesn’t stand – one can check the proposed drawing and the actual implementation in Hamilton Road. The loss of parking capacity is due to the way some people park, and the marked bays may in fact encourage some drivers to improve their parking habits).

The argument about the residents of Hamilton Road who elect not to pay for the second car, but park in adjacent streets. This does not stand either: Their second car is and will still be parked within the same Griffin Park area. Once they have to pay for the parking permit, they will be able to park in Hamilton Road or other road within the CPZ. It may worsen the Hamilton Road parking, but improve the adjacent road, as the second car will be just move within the CPZ. This second car does not change the number of cars competing for parking around Griffin Park.

And, finally, to reiterate the point of the reduced competition for parking once CPZ is introduced, here is who the main non-resident parkers are, and what I think will happen:

1. Holiday makers: CPZ will stop them

2. Residents of new developments (and others living outside the proposed CPZ but preferring to park around Griffin Park) who park not just between 5:30pm and 9:30 am: CPZ will stop them.


3. Residents of new developments (and others living outside the proposed CPZ but preferring to park around Griffin Park) who park only between 5:30pm and 9:30 am: They will need to make sure they leave before 9:30am and come no earlier than 5:30pm... They will need to find where to park on Saturdays... So even for them, I think some will seek alternatives, so CPZ will partially stop them; however, I do appreciate that there will be a certain number of such parkers (although less than now) who will continue to be parked within the CPZ during the night hours. How many of this category will continue parking during the night is unclear, but don’t think 100%.

4. Commuters and day time visitors (One car is regularly noticed parking in Braemar Road in the morning, then the driver gets a bike from the car and cycles away. In the afternoon he returns, loads his bike in the car and drives away). CPZ will stop this day time parking.



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South20/03/14 21:48:00 Anthony Waller
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South20/03/14 23:51:00 Jim Lawes
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 08:21:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 08:34:00 Jon Hardy
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 08:38:00 Adam Beamish
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 09:05:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 09:39:00 Raymond Havelock
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 10:16:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 09:50:00 Matt Willey
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 10:53:00 Mark Gormley
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 11:13:00 Mark Gormley
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 11:15:00 Matt Willey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 13:18:00 Raymond Havelock
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 13:21:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 13:44:00 Anthony Waller
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 19:35:00 Ian Silver
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South21/03/14 21:32:00 Alex Shpinkov
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 10:53:00 Darren Cushway
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 11:35:00 Raymond Havelock
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 16:27:00 Caroline Hawkins
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 16:48:00 Ian Silver
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 17:05:00 Alex Shpinkov
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 17:19:00 Ian Silver
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 18:48:00 Mark Gormley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 20:05:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South22/03/14 20:44:00 Raymond Havelock
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South23/03/14 09:19:00 Anthony Waller
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South23/03/14 18:38:00 Katy Whelan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South23/03/14 18:52:00 Ian Silver
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 07:46:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 15:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 16:01:00 Anthony Waller
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 07:22:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 11:16:00 Matt Willey
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 12:40:00 Darren Cushway
                                             Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South01/06/14 15:00:00 nemesh patel
                                                Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South02/06/14 12:04:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South02/06/14 12:05:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South02/06/14 19:39:00 Alan Branch
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South24/03/14 18:36:00 Mary A O'Hanlon
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 13:06:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 16:56:00 Darren Cushway
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 17:02:00 Ian Silver
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South25/03/14 22:41:00 Anthony Waller
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 09:12:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 11:10:00 Matt Willey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South26/03/14 19:18:00 Raymond Havelock
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South29/03/14 08:18:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South27/03/14 23:25:00 Alan Branch
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 09:48:00 Raymond Havelock
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 18:28:00 Caroline Hawkins
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 10:05:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 10:45:00 Alan Branch
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 20:13:00 Anthony Waller
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South28/03/14 20:48:00 Darren Cushway
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South29/03/14 09:11:00 Anthony Waller
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South29/03/14 17:41:00 Jackie Ross
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South30/03/14 17:48:00 Caroline Hawkins
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 13:58:00 Mark Kehoe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 16:30:00 Alex Shpinkov
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 23:44:00 Raymond Havelock
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 19:38:00 Alan Branch
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 19:43:00 Ian Silver
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South31/03/14 19:45:00 Alan Branch
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South06/06/14 18:09:00 Paul Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South09/06/14 19:30:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South09/06/14 20:59:00 Raymond Havelock
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South09/06/14 21:02:00 Alex Shpinkov
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South10/06/14 12:48:00 Claire Peleschka
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South10/06/14 14:39:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South07/07/14 15:20:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South04/07/14 16:31:00 Mark Gormley
      Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South04/07/14 17:55:00 Guy Lambert
         Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South09/07/14 13:02:00 Caroline Hawkins
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South09/07/14 15:53:00 Guy Lambert
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South10/07/14 06:14:00 Reg Ghosh
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South11/07/14 10:22:00 Mark Gormley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South11/07/14 11:20:00 Neil Chippendale
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South11/07/14 15:43:00 Caroline Hawkins
                           Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South12/07/14 19:54:00 Reg Ghosh
                              Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South18/07/14 17:18:00 Reg Ghosh
                                 Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South18/07/14 17:27:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                    Re:Re:Re:Full 6 day CPZ for Brook Rd South18/07/14 17:39:00 Mark gormley
                                       It's happening17/03/15 21:16:00 Reg Ghosh

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