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Topic: What price planning permission?
Posted by: John Todd
Date/Time: 03/07/12 08:05:00

Labour Councillors continue to remain silent on this significant matter.
Jim mentions possible local developers views.

Please see the Late Report submitted at the Boulton House planning hearing set out below.

Good old Cllr. Mel Collins, whilst absent from the hearing (and a Director of Hounslow Homes which is not mentioned or apparently  declared in his submission)  argues financial income for LBH as a planning criteria.
A remarkable precedent?

Keep going Jim and Co.


Planning Committee Report
14 June 2012

ADDENDUM REPORT

AGENDA ITEM 6
Boulton House, Green Dragon Lane, TW8 0DA
Pages 39 – 50

Paragraph 5.2 - Following the publication of the agenda, an objection was received from St James Group Ltd. The objection states that the St James Group Ltd are a key local stakeholder, who are about to commence construction on a residential led mixed-use development. St James considers that:
- the principle of the proposal is incongruous and incompatible with the surrounding residential area;
- the location, scale and illumination are visually intrusive on the skyline;
- the proposal will have a negative impact on the built and natural environment;
- the proposal would set an inappropriate precedent for all towers on the Estate;
- the proposal would prove detrimental to forthcoming residential development and the sympathetic regeneration of Brentford.


Officer response:

Accordingly, the St James Group Ltd supports the officer’s recommendation for refusal. The issues raised within the objection are assessed within the officer’s report.

Paragraph 5.2 – A letter has been received from the West Chiswick and Gunnersbury Society strongly endorsing the officer’s recommendation for refusal.

Paragraph 5.8 – Following the publication of the agenda, comments were received from Councillor Collins. He is fully supportive of the project with at least 55% of the revenue remaining with the Brentford Towers and the other 45% for environmental improvements within the Isleworth and Brentford Area.

Officer response:

No details of the cost, profit or funding received from the advertisement have been provided with the application.

Financial benefits cannot be considered when assessing the proposal. The proposal must be considered in regards to its impacts on amenity and public safety. As detailed within the committee report it is considered that the proposal will have a significant adverse impact on the amenity of the immediate environment and surrounding areas. Refusal has therefore been recommended.

Paragraph 6.1 – Following the publication of the agenda, the applicant has questioned why the assessment has been made against the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), rather than the previous guidance which was Planning Policy Guidance 19 (Advertisements).

The NPPF replaced PPG19. Planning applications are determined on the basis of policies in force at the point of a decision being made, and not on the policies in force at the time the application is made. This is accepted practice that has been established through case law.

Circular 03/2007 (Advertisements) still requires consideration and provides guidance on the assessment of amenity and public safety. This has been referenced throughout the officer’s report on the application where relevant.

Paragraph 7.6 – The applicant has argued that commercial advertising is located on buildings in Europe and over the world and it is therefore appropriate in this location.  For example, there are a number of residential buildings surrounding the ring road in Paris which have commercial advertising on the roof.

Whilst this is noted, it is not considered that this sets an example that should be followed in Brentford. As detailed within the report, the building is located where it is highly visible from of a number of sensitive viewpoints, including a World Heritage listed area, and the locality is currently undergoing significant regeneration. The adverse impact to the amenity of the environment is addressed in detail in the committee report.

Paragraph 7.8 – The applicant has stated that there is a benefit to residents and the Council in approving this application against tightening public service budgets. Whilst this is noted, this is not something that can be considered when assessing advertisement applications. Consideration needs to be given to amenity and public safety only. It is not considered a financial benefit can outweigh the significant adverse impacts on amenity.




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Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 16:35:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 17:12:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 18:10:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 20:24:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 20:26:00 Sarah Felstead
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 22:23:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee20/06/12 23:45:00 Asif Rana
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 00:17:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 08:17:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 08:32:00 Tim Henderson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 08:50:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 12:41:00 Ian Silver
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 20:58:00 Anthony Waller
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee21/06/12 22:34:00 Iain Muir
   Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 10:05:00 Michael Brandt
      Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 18:11:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 19:16:00 Andrew Sibley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 19:45:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 19:55:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 22:47:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 23:31:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 00:27:00 Andrew Sibley
   Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 21:45:00 Martin Hewlett
      Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 23:27:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee22/06/12 23:58:00 Michael Brandt
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 00:22:00 Andrew Sibley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 00:25:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 10:37:00 Kevin Farnan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 11:17:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 11:40:00 Patricia Nicholas
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 12:08:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 12:09:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 12:13:00 Phil Andrews
   Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee23/06/12 12:06:00 Gill Hutchison
      Re:Re:Moronic decision Safety implications23/06/12 15:20:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision Safety implications23/06/12 15:43:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Moronic decision Safety implications23/06/12 19:16:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee24/06/12 19:49:00 Martin Hewlett
      Re:Re:Moronic decision of the planning committee25/06/12 00:50:00 Jim Lawes
         Blood on their hands25/06/12 01:11:00 Anthony Waller
            Re:Blood on their hands25/06/12 01:31:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Blood on their hands25/06/12 10:12:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Blood on their hands25/06/12 11:09:00 Michael Brandt
                  Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands26/06/12 13:36:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands26/06/12 13:48:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands26/06/12 13:57:00 Anthony Waller
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands26/06/12 15:44:00 Adam Beamish
                           Who is entitled to the cash?26/06/12 16:50:00 John Connelly
                              Re:Who is entitled to the cash?26/06/12 16:58:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Who is entitled to the cash?26/06/12 17:38:00 Anthony Waller
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands27/06/12 02:08:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands27/06/12 08:45:00 Adam Beamish
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands27/06/12 11:15:00 Vanessa Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands28/06/12 23:33:00 Jim Lawes
                                 Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 08:44:00 John Todd
                                    Re:Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 09:23:00 Michael Brandt
                                       Re:Re:Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 09:56:00 Adam Beamish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 10:11:00 Ian Silver
                                          Re:Re:Re:Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 10:14:00 Tim Henderson
                                    Re:Rotten Borough  Mk2?29/06/12 09:28:00 Tim Henderson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands29/06/12 09:46:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands29/06/12 10:06:00 Michael Brandt
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands29/06/12 10:19:00 Anthony Waller
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Blood on their hands29/06/12 11:08:00 Adam Beamish
   See for yourselves, from the safety of your computer ...29/06/12 10:59:00 Sarah Felstead
      Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:01:00 Sarah Felstead
         Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:02:00 Sarah Felstead
            Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:08:00 Sarah Felstead
               Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:11:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:19:00 Sarah Felstead
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:21:00 Ian Silver
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:45:00 Sarah Felstead
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:10:00 Ian Silver
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:11:00 Ian Silver
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:12:00 Ian Silver
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:13:00 Ian Silver
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:18:00 Ian Silver
                                          Casino on the top floor ?29/06/12 12:36:00 Tim Henderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?30/06/12 02:21:00 Jim Lawes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?30/06/12 05:02:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?02/07/12 14:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?02/07/12 15:18:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?02/07/12 16:19:00 Anthony Waller
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?02/07/12 18:10:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?03/07/12 01:34:00 Jim Lawes
                                                         What price planning permission?03/07/12 08:05:00 John Todd
                                                            Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 08:15:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 09:59:00 Paul Fisher
                                                               Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 14:44:00 Gill Hutchison
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 15:17:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 16:00:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 17:09:00 Gill Hutchison
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 17:22:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 17:48:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 18:31:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 18:33:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 22:00:00 John Connelly
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 22:16:00 Anthony Waller
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What price planning permission?03/07/12 22:46:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 11:37:00 Sarah Felstead
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:38:00 Sarah Felstead
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:40:00 Sarah Felstead
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 12:49:00 Ian Silver
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 13:11:00 Anthony Waller
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 13:30:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?29/06/12 13:18:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?30/06/12 09:42:00 Anthony Waller
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Guess what will come next?30/06/12 17:16:00 Ian Silver
                                          They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions01/07/12 01:05:00 Jim Lawes
                                             Re:They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions01/07/12 01:07:00 Jim Lawes
                                                Re:Re:They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions07/07/12 07:16:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions07/07/12 07:53:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions07/07/12 08:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:They must be joking! M4 Slip road distractions08/09/12 23:19:00 Jim Lawes

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