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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 11/09/11 00:25:00

Dawn

As I am the target of what is a very ill-informed criticism from your good self you will understand the temptation I feel to humiliate you for your complete and demonstrable lack of knowledge both as to how the Sustainable Development Committee (SDC) at the London Borough of Hounslow operates and of the whole Mogden issue in particular.

However out of respect for what I think is your genuine affection for the local community and the sincerity with which you try to speak I will instead simply offer you some heartfelt advice, which I give with the honest intention of helping you to avoid making a fool of yourself in the future.

Research the issues, learn how the process works and be sure of your facts before you issue forth.  In that way you will not leave yourself so open to ridicule.

The bare facts concerning the initial vote on the proposal to expand Mogden are these:

The SDC during the previous administration comprised, if I recall correctly, 5 Conservative councillors, 5 Labour, 2 ICG and one Liberal Democrat.  I may be slightly out with these figures but this was pretty much the proportionality of it, the two major parties had equal representation and between them they made up the large majority of the Committee.

When the Mogden proposal came to SDC one of the ICG councillors (Paul Fisher) was excluded under planning rules from taking part as he was party to a residents' legal action against Thames Water and could therefore be deemed to have had a prejudicial interest in the matter.

The other ICG councillor on the SDC, Jon Hardy, took part in the debate, spoke eloquently against the proposals and voted against them.

The Labour councillors on SDC were in favour of the development from the start and in my view had clearly been well briefed prior to the meeting.  Their position was, at least, consistent throughout.

The Conservative councillors intitially gave an impression of being against the proposal, however after an intense period of lobbying by both the Labour councillors and the officers who were presenting the report, in the latter case unprecedented in its intensity to the point that they more or less refused to accept a vote against, they changed their minds and voted in favour.

As a background to this you need to understand that the SDC is a quasi-judicial body and individual members are required to vote as individuals and not according to a party position.  That is the theory.  In this instance though the Labour councillors supported the proposal together, the Conservative councillors at first opposed it together and then finally they capitulated together.

The solitary Liberal Democrat on SDC, Andrew Dakers, voted in support of the proposal on the basis of the information provided on the night by officers, but later came to the view that he had been wrong to do so when it was demonstrated to him that the information provided to members on the night had been selective, and that pertinent facts had been withheld.

So you see Dawn, this was not a case of ICG councillors voting with their Conservative coalition partners to force through a development in the face of Labour opposition.

It was a case of Conservative councillors raising two fingers to their coalition partners and voting alongside the Labour councillors so as not to upset the officers, whose continued co-operation they needed in order to effectively carry out work on projects that were politically important to themselves.

For us in the ICG, this was probably the first time it had dawned on us just how much contempt we were actually held in by our so-called partners, and how little value was placed upon our contribution to the coalition other than as voting fodder for their own political programme, which to all intents and purposes began and ended with low Council Tax.

Before that fateful evening we had laboured naively in the belief that if we conducted ourselves with honour and integrity towards our partners then they would similarly demonstrate honour and integrity towards us.

For some inexplicable reason I more than any other member of my Group had forgotten the lesson that I had spent many painful years learning about the way in which the big parties operate - that unquestioning, idiot-style allegiance to the rosette is absolute and that considerations such as decency, loyalty, honesty, honour, and least of all public interest, would never be permitted to stand in the way of it. 

I accept full personal responsibility for this failure.

In my, in retrospect possibly naive, opinion the relationship between the two coalition groups prior to the Mogden vote had been a good one based upon mutual respect and a real desire to deliver good local government based upon those many areas in which a commonality of purpose existed.  After it the contempt in which we had probably always been held by our partners became more and more obvious.  When the last "coalition" budget was presented to Borough Council in March 2010 the ICG had barely even been shown it, far less had it been discussed between us.

Then we discovered that, had the possibility of a renewed coalition arisen following the local election of 2010, the Conservative plan was to attempt to negotiate a coalition agreement with some ICG councillors and not others, in other words to attempt to break our organisation in two by offering sweeteners to those individual ICG councillors whom they deemed to be the most fickle and easy to flatter and manipulate.

Do you think this is a decent and honourable way to behave?  Do you really want to be the one to argue the case for people who conduct themselves in this way on a public internet forum?

Dawn, I do not criticise you for being a supporter of the Conservative Party.  I am sure you have very good reasons for your choice, and whatever they are I respect them.

But I do believe you are sufficiently independent and free-thinking not to give a political blank cheque to a local party that conducts business in the way that I have described.

At the very least you may wish to ask yourself whether the election of a Labour administration that is likely to be in office for a very long time if not forever is a price that you think was worth paying. 

Because I am not hearing any expressions of regret, let alone apologies, from the local representatives of the party you support. 

Many Conservative supporters, and indeed members, of my acquaintance feel very let down by the antics of these people.  Do you too not think you deserve better?


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Mogden Update?05/11/10 21:31:00 John Todd
   Re:Mogden Update?06/11/10 00:37:00 Phil Andrews
      Re:Re:Mogden Update?06/11/10 15:35:00 Jim Lawes
   :Mogden  posts made on CW408/11/10 05:52:00 John Todd
      For goodness sake08/11/10 13:42:00 Sarah Felstead
         Re:For goodness sake08/11/10 18:26:00 Steve Taylor
   Mogden Update12/11/10 05:45:00 John Todd
      Re:Mogden Update12/11/10 13:47:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Mogden Update17/11/10 19:55:00 Jon Hardy
            Re:Re:Re:Mogden Update18/11/10 19:55:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Mogden Update18/11/10 20:06:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mogden Update20/11/10 09:25:00 Paul Fisher
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mogden Update21/11/10 21:12:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mogden Update21/11/10 23:40:00 Phil Andrews
                           :Mogden Update29/11/10 06:34:00 John Todd
                              Re::Mogden Update29/11/10 07:57:00 Steve Taylor
                     Civil action29/11/10 08:59:00 John Todd
                        Re:Civil action29/11/10 20:41:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Civil action01/12/10 20:19:00 Steve Taylor
                              :Civil action04/12/10 17:10:00 John Todd
                                 Re::Civil action04/12/10 17:11:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re::Mogden update 04/12/10 17:36:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 05/12/10 12:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 05/12/10 12:47:00 Phil Andrews
                                             I wonder...05/12/10 13:08:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:I wonder...05/12/10 13:56:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:I wonder...05/12/10 15:47:00 Robin Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:I wonder...06/12/10 00:10:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Electrical register?06/12/10 00:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Electrical register?06/12/10 12:34:00 Robin Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Electrical register?06/12/10 17:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Electrical register?06/12/10 21:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Electrical register?06/12/10 23:40:00 Robin Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:I wonder...06/12/10 07:50:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Oh dear...06/12/10 12:40:00 Robin Taylor
                                                            Re:Oh dear...oh dear oh dear06/12/10 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 05/12/10 13:54:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 06/12/10 20:47:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 06/12/10 21:36:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Mogden update 06/12/10 22:13:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      The environmental mess left by the Tories 23/01/11 17:36:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 24/01/11 11:46:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 10/03/11 14:04:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 03/04/11 12:33:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 11/05/11 21:46:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 11/05/11 22:04:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The environmental mess left by the Tories 12/05/11 07:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           :The environmental mess left by the.................12/05/11 12:36:00 John Todd
   Sir Montague Sharpe 1857-194224/07/11 09:50:00 John Todd
      STENCH of the Tories prevails03/08/11 00:02:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails14/08/11 22:15:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails15/08/11 12:45:00 Dawn Hardy
               Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails15/08/11 23:00:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails16/08/11 10:54:00 Dawn Hardy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails16/08/11 17:25:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the Tories prevails16/08/11 17:38:00 Dawn Hardy
                        Facts  16/08/11 17:53:00 John Todd
                           Re:Facts  16/08/11 18:29:00 Dawn Hardy
                              REAL FACTS    16/08/11 19:09:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:Facts  16/08/11 19:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Facts  16/08/11 20:10:00 Dawn Hardy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts  16/08/11 20:16:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re: Fact - STENCH of the TORIES prevails   16/08/11 20:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re: Fact - STENCH of the TORIES prevails   08/09/11 12:47:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Just a recap - Steve suffers from amnesia   08/09/11 13:31:00 John Todd
                                                Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 08/09/11 18:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                                   Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 09/09/11 15:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 10/09/11 16:08:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 10/09/11 17:07:00 Paul Fisher
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 11/09/11 00:25:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 13/09/11 14:48:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 13/09/11 15:09:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 13/09/11 15:35:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the RORIES PREVAILS 13/09/11 15:42:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 13/09/11 19:10:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 14/09/11 15:13:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                              Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 17/09/11 07:57:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 17/09/11 09:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 18/09/11 16:21:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 18/09/11 16:26:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 18/09/11 16:53:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 18/09/11 19:01:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 06:30:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 12:35:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 12:52:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 13:22:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 13:50:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 14:08:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 17:20:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 17:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 17:50:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 18:23:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                     :Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 19/09/11 20:16:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                        Especially for Dawn20/09/11 00:30:00 Jon Hardy
                                                                                                                           Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 08:47:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 09:14:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 10:38:00 John Connelly
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 10:46:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                           Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 11:03:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 12:02:00 Jon Hardy
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Especially for Dawn20/09/11 12:38:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 10:55:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 11:10:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 11:17:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 11:23:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 11:24:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                                 Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 18:35:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 20/09/11 19:55:00 Tony Wood
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 21/09/11 07:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 21/09/11 10:52:00 Jon Hardy
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 21/09/11 11:18:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                :Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 23/09/11 21:38:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                   Re::Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 24/09/11 00:13:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re::Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 24/09/11 12:05:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re::Re: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 24/09/11 13:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                             STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 25/09/11 22:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                             : STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 26/09/11 12:46:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                Re:: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 29/09/11 09:14:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 29/09/11 14:41:00 John Connelly
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:: STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 29/09/11 14:47:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                          STENCH of the TORIES PREVAILS 29/09/11 17:28:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Counter Attack29/09/11 20:58:00 Paul Allen
                                                                                                                                                               STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 29/09/11 21:07:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                  Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 12:53:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 12:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 15:23:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 17:43:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 18:09:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 19:13:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 19:16:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 19:28:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                                    :STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 30/09/11 20:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                       Re::STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 11/10/11 07:25:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re::STENCH of the TORIES  prevails 11/10/11 08:24:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                                                                                             Mogden;  LBH Cabinet Item tonight  (18.10.11) 18/10/11 08:37:00 John Todd
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re:Mogden;   LBH Cabinet Item tonight  (18.10.11) 18/10/11 09:26:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                   STENCH of the TORIES prevails18/10/11 16:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re:STENCH of the TORIES prevails22/10/11 11:58:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:STENCH of the TORIES prevails22/10/11 12:19:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                            :STENCH of the TORIES prevails22/10/11 19:35:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Re::STENCH of the TORIES prevails12/11/11 19:32:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re::STENCH of the TORIES prevails12/11/11 21:10:00 Stephen Derby
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     :STENCH of the TORIES prevails12/11/11 23:27:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re::STENCH of the TORIES prevails12/11/11 23:33:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re::STENCH of the TORIES prevails12/11/11 23:39:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re::STENCH of the TORIES prevails13/11/11 16:22:00 Stephen Derby
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ::STENCH of the TORIES prevails14/11/11 07:40:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:::STENCH of the TORIES prevails14/11/11 08:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:::STENCH of the TORIES prevails26/11/11 09:25:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:::STENCH of Mogden prevails.27/11/11 15:15:00 Hugh Telford
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:::STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.27/11/11 17:53:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:::STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.27/11/11 21:06:00 Hugh Telford
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:::STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.29/11/11 09:56:00 Stephen Derby
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:::STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.29/11/11 12:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:::STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.29/11/11 15:50:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.01/12/11 13:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.08/12/11 11:59:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.12/12/11 07:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.12/12/11 14:35:00 Jon Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        :Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.14/12/11 22:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.15/12/11 08:54:00 Jon Hardy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.15/12/11 19:33:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.19/12/11 09:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.19/12/11 09:42:00 Tim Henderson
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.20/12/11 14:32:00 Stephen Derby
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       :Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.30/01/12 20:50:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re::Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.03/02/12 18:59:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.03/02/12 19:52:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.05/02/12 10:11:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.05/02/12 10:25:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.22/03/12 22:50:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.17/04/12 19:14:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.17/04/12 19:42:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.31/07/12 22:15:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:STENCH of  the TORIES  prevails.31/07/12 23:08:00 Steve Taylor

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