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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:
Posted by: John Connelly
Date/Time: 20/07/12 11:17:00

I agree with you, Adam, that defining what "serving the public" means is far from straight forward. It could be argued that the Heston and Cranford councillors, whose power to deal with enforcement issues was suspended a number of years ago, were serving their public by refusing to enforce on officer recommendations. Certainly it was rare to see any objections to the many extensions built without authorisation, and it was usually observation by officers that led to enforcement action. One of the ironies of the previous administration's decision to remove the Area Committee power is that it led to a situation where virtually every recommmendation for enforcement was accepted by members henceforth.

It is over ten years since I was in a leading position on Hounslow Council. In my experience most senior officers were always prepared to listen and could be persuaded to reconsider their initial propositions. One very good Borough Solicitor in the mid-1980's was quite clear about the relationship when he said to me "Officers advise, members decide".

I don't know how far the calibre of senior officers has declined in recent years. However, a former Hounslow Council Treasurer and Chief Executive, Sir Bob Kerslake, is now Head of the Home Civil Service, as high as you can go in public administration. His successor, Derek Myers, is now Chief Executive of Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea, and Hammersmith and Fulham councils, the country's first "super-authority". Baroness Amos, now an Undersecretary-General at the UN and former Leader of the House of Lords was, I recall, a candidate for a senior post at Hounslow a number of years ago.

During the period when these highly respected people were Hounslow officers, a constant criticism was that salaries at Hounslow were below the London average. Huge salary hikes occurred after 2006. It appears from many comments on this thread that these did not have the desired effect in recruiting quality officers.


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Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:35:00 Paul Fisher
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:39:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:39:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:53:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 14:28:00 Jim Lawes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 15:28:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 16:01:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 17:32:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 21:08:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors08/07/12 15:07:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:05:00 Asif Rana
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 00:27:00 Asif Rana
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 07:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:19:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:43:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:58:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:29:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:55:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:16:00 Paul Fisher
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 22:00:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 07:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 07:58:00 John Todd
                                                                  Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:50:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 15:53:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 17:56:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 18:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 19:27:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 20:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory14/07/12 11:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 09:01:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors12/07/12 18:00:00 Claire Peleschka
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:48:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:21:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:10:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:52:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                                                 What is being done:18/07/12 00:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                    Re:What is being done:18/07/12 00:33:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:41:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:54:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 15:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 01:48:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   :Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 08:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:40:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 09:28:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:55:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 08:36:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 16:47:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 20:47:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 00:24:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                         :Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 06:53:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 22:31:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                               Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:22/07/12 14:13:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 20:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 21:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:53:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 22:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                     :Re:Re:What is being done:24/07/12 19:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                        Re::Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:32:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re::Re:Re:What is being done:27/07/12 00:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 08:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 11:17:00 John Connelly
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 12:37:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 18:10:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors14/07/12 06:42:00 John James Crabtree
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 10:33:00 Ian Speed

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