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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 11/07/12 07:17:00

Adam

Your professional qualifications, your expertise and even your personal qualities are not being challenged in any way.

You have, on more than one occasion, expressed the view that as an officer of the Council you did not consider yourself to have been working for the public.  Your honesty in saying that is respected, but it is not a view that would be conducive to holding high office at a Council that places community empowerment at the core of its entire being.

This doesn't in any way mean that I think the community is always right, or that everybody within it is as pure as the driven snow or without a personal agenda, but none of this negates the essential truth that at a local authority both councillors and officers exist to serve the public and not the other way around.  As a democratic institution of government that has to be the raison d'etre of a local authority, and its existence makes absolutely no sense if it isn't.

We have an Environment Department in Hounslow at present which runs fairly much according to your philosophy and my single biggest regret about our time in office is that as community councillors we did not find the time to take an axe to the whole sorry set-up, no matter what the short-term cost to the public.

The Lead Member with responsibility for Environment under the administration of which we were part was an efficient, experienced, conscientious and thoroughly honest councillor who did a good job in managing the department in terms of its day to day operation, but in my view was the last person we would have chosen to do what needed to be done.  Environment needed a butcher not a conciliator.

On a personal level I must confess that my priority when assuming office was dealing with Housing, and there I found myself up against a wall of organised opposition from officers, union leaders (although not the members), political opponents and even the official "residents' representatives" and coming out of that lot on top, which I believe I did, took a lot of my time and energy.  It was, in microcosm, a battle for the soul of local democracy between two fundamentally opposing philosophies, essentially mine and yours.

The similar problems that existed in Environment were not immediately apparent, and we exacerbated them massively by appointing the present incumbent to the most senior post.  I even voted for the man at his selection panel!

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it can be very cruel.


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Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:35:00 Paul Fisher
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:39:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:39:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:53:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 14:28:00 Jim Lawes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 15:28:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 16:01:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 17:32:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 21:08:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors08/07/12 15:07:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:05:00 Asif Rana
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 00:27:00 Asif Rana
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 07:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:19:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:43:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:58:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:29:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:55:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:16:00 Paul Fisher
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 22:00:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 07:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 07:58:00 John Todd
                                                                  Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:50:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 15:53:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 17:56:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 18:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 19:27:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 20:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory14/07/12 11:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 09:01:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors12/07/12 18:00:00 Claire Peleschka
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:48:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:21:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:10:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:52:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                                                 What is being done:18/07/12 00:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                    Re:What is being done:18/07/12 00:33:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:41:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:54:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 15:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 01:48:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   :Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 08:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:40:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 09:28:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:55:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 08:36:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 16:47:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 20:47:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 00:24:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                         :Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 06:53:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 22:31:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                               Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:22/07/12 14:13:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 20:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 21:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:53:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 22:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                     :Re:Re:What is being done:24/07/12 19:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                        Re::Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:32:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re::Re:Re:What is being done:27/07/12 00:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 08:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 11:17:00 John Connelly
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 12:37:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 18:10:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors14/07/12 06:42:00 John James Crabtree
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 10:33:00 Ian Speed

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