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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors
Posted by: Adam Beamish
Date/Time: 11/07/12 09:01:00

It all depends on what one's interpretation of "working for the public" actually means.

I don't mean this with any disrespect, but I think it's naive and far too simplified to suggest that "the essential truth is that at a local authority both councillors and officers exist to serve the public", because the relationship is nothing as direct or straightforward as that.

Virtually every aspect of every Council function has, at its heart, a set of regulations and legislation.  Those regulations/legislation are set by national government and are drafted/progressed through Parliament with due consideration given to the general public, communities etc.
Council Officers then have to carry out their duties in accordance with those regulations/legislation.  In carrying out those duties, of course there will be, and there should be, interaction and involvement with the general public, but no Officer can get away from the relevant regulations/legislation that essentially control the remit of their duties.

That's why I express that the view that it would be inaccurate for any Council Officer to ever claim that they work to serve the public, because such a claim would be vastly oversimplifying the reality and, essentially misleading.  Equally, to take the other extreme, it would be absurd for an Officer to claim that if they avoided interacting with the community/public whenever possible and merely always acted in accordance with the relevant regulations/legislation, they were still serving the public because those regulations/legislation had been drafted with consideration of the needs/aspirations/protection of the public at their heart.  Somewhere between those two extremes is the factual reality of how a Council Officer can and should serve the public and that's all I've ever said.

Hence, your reference to my 'philosophy' has me rather lost, because I don't have any such philosophy, I merely state the factual reality yet for some reason that is interpreted as though I possess some kind of contempt for the public and would steamroller the public at every opportunity. 


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Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:35:00 Paul Fisher
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 08:39:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:39:00 Anthony Waller
         Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 09:53:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 14:28:00 Jim Lawes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 15:28:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 16:01:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 17:32:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors07/07/12 21:08:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors08/07/12 15:07:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:05:00 Asif Rana
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors09/07/12 23:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 00:27:00 Asif Rana
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 07:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:19:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 08:29:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:43:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 11:58:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:29:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 13:55:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:16:00 Paul Fisher
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 14:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors10/07/12 22:00:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 07:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 07:58:00 John Todd
                                                                  Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 08:50:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 15:53:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory11/07/12 17:56:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 18:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 19:27:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory16/07/12 20:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil Andrew's memory14/07/12 11:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors11/07/12 09:01:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors12/07/12 18:00:00 Claire Peleschka
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:48:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 17:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:21:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 22:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:10:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors16/07/12 12:52:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                                                 What is being done:18/07/12 00:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                    Re:What is being done:18/07/12 00:33:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:41:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 08:54:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 15:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 01:48:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   :Re:Re:What is being done:21/07/12 08:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:40:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                       Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 09:28:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:What is being done:18/07/12 22:55:00 Asif Rana
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 08:36:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 16:47:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:19/07/12 20:47:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 00:24:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                         :Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 06:53:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                            Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 22:31:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                               Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:22/07/12 14:13:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 20:19:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:23/07/12 21:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:53:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 22:20:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                     :Re:Re:What is being done:24/07/12 19:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                        Re::Re:Re:What is being done:26/07/12 20:32:00 Theo Dennison
                                                                                                                           Re:Re::Re:Re:What is being done:27/07/12 00:24:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 08:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 11:17:00 John Connelly
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is being done:20/07/12 12:37:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors13/07/12 18:10:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors14/07/12 06:42:00 John James Crabtree
      Re:Re:Hounslow Officers run the Council not your elected councillors15/07/12 10:33:00 Ian Speed

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