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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 03/11/08 00:48:00

Bela

What political views or affiliations you may or may not hold are of absolutely no concern to me.  Debate is a good thing, I do not begrudge any New Labour member or supporter their opinion or their right to express it, and the views of such people are no more or less valid than my own.

As those better acquainted with me than yourself will know, my issue is not about affiliation or political ideology or belief but about basic honesty.  Nothing more.

We have heard it suggested in recent debates at Borough Council that the wilful use of untrue allegation and rumour is simply "politics" rather than dishonesty.  I and my colleagues disagree.  Therein lies the essential difference between us.

If you follow this forum you will have witnessed many examples of this "politics" that some consider to be a valid and legitimate form of activity for publicly accountable, elected officials who are the beneficiaries of the public's trust to engage in.

To cite one of countless instances one Dave Hughes, a regular user of this forum and a close colleague of the Member of Parliament with whom you are working on the Gunnersbury Park campaign, announced some while ago to readers that I planned to use the Management Review of Hounslow Homes, which I was chairing at the time, in order to bring about the privatisation of the local authority's housing stock.  As he is a prominent member of the Labour Party in Hounslow and a former councillor, and as none of his colleagues stepped forward to disassociate themselves from this allegation, it can reasonably be assumed that this particular story was being peddled with the blessing - indeed probably at the behest - of the Party itself.

As is usually the case with Mr. Hughes the story was completely without foundation.  From day one of the Review I had made it clear that the only options on the table, in terms of the future management of our housing stock, were either a continuation of Hounslow Homes (the "half-way privatisation" introduced and oddly preferred by New Labour to complete in-house provision, though not so oddly if you understand the set-up) or a reversion to full local authority management.  So it subsequently proved, yet to this day no apology for misleading forum readers has been forthcoming either from Mr. Hughes or the Party.

Other similarly wild stories have been disseminated on here through Mr. Hughes.  Then there was the old Conservative deselection saga in the local press, the Hanworth Park leaflets, the press-deadline "Reichstag Fire" during the Isleworth election campaign - the list is endless.

But I digress a little, so let us go back to Gunnersbury Park and your own handling of this particular issue.

The Lead Member, Councillor Adrian Lee, told you categorically that there were no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park.

He assured you personally that any future proposed developments in the Park would be the subject of full public consultation.

He explained to you that he has as deep an affection for Gunnersbury Park as you do, having lived in its vicinity all his life and used it since childhood.

Finally, he explained that whilst there were no proposals for the building of a housing estate, he had to realistically investigate the possibility of bringing sums of private and/or Heritage Lottery funds into the Park or else we would risk losing all of the Georgian buildings.

You thanked him for his assurances and then brought Ann Keen along to the Park who did a party political press conference and continued circulating the same old lies without any mention whatsoever of your lengthy correspondence on the matter.

Can you not understand my point about trust?  Is the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf entirely lost on you, Mrs. Keen and those others who continue to peddle misinformation about the administration's management of the Park?

Let me stress that I am neither the ward councillor for Gunnersbury Park nor is it within my portfolio area.  My intervention in this debate was simply to point out that the stories emanated from a local source with a proud history of deception, misrepresentation and general lack of interest in the truth or otherwise of the stories it peddles.

If there are those who, in consideration of all the facts and of the track record of those behind the campaign, still wish to consider it the work of altruistic and concerned individuals like Mrs. Keen with no political axe to grind then that is absolutely their right.  But at least now they are able to do so whilst in full possession of the facts, and as such my role in the discussion is done.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 08:42:00 Mike Hardacre
   Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 09:02:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 14:14:00 Ian Jones
   Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 16:02:00 Vanessa Smith
      Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 16:11:00 Paul Fisher
         Gunnersbury park and public spaces etc04/09/08 16:41:00 Sarah Felstead
   Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 21:07:00 Justin Harris
       Gunnersbury Park04/09/08 22:24:00 John Todd
         Re: Gunnersbury Park05/09/08 10:20:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park05/09/08 14:54:00 Gill Hutchison
               Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park05/09/08 15:00:00 Gill Hutchison
                  Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park29/10/08 08:01:00 Justin Harris
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park30/10/08 13:39:00 Mick Brent
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park31/10/08 09:28:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park31/10/08 09:46:00 Justin Harris
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park31/10/08 10:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park31/10/08 21:06:00 Neil Chippendale
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 02:00:00 Neil Chippendale
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 12:30:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 18:56:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 19:54:00 Neil Chippendale
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 21:08:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park02/11/08 22:58:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park03/11/08 00:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park03/11/08 01:58:00 Neil Chippendale
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park03/11/08 06:51:00 Neil Chippendale
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park03/11/08 05:43:00 Victor Mullins
                                          'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 08:46:00 Justin Harris
                                             Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 09:51:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 10:37:00 Justin Harris
                                                   Re:Re:Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 11:29:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 15:37:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 16:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:'no existing plans to build anything on Gunnersbury Park'03/11/08 09:51:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park03/11/08 09:44:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park04/11/08 09:32:00 Mike Hardacre
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park04/11/08 11:48:00 Mick Brent
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park04/11/08 19:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park05/11/08 00:06:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park05/11/08 21:21:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park05/11/08 22:52:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park06/11/08 12:13:00 Robert Darke
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park06/11/08 19:51:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park06/11/08 23:03:00 Robert Darke
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park08/11/08 23:11:00 Michael Fletcher
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park09/11/08 00:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park09/11/08 18:54:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Gunnersbury Park10/11/08 12:04:00 Phil Andrews
   Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park09/11/08 14:11:00 Colin Ellar
   Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park19/11/08 10:08:00 Patricia Nicholas
      Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park19/11/08 10:24:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
         Re:Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park19/11/08 13:43:00 Patricia Nicholas
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park19/11/08 14:46:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park20/11/08 00:24:00 Neil Chippendale
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Scarmongering on Gunnersbury Park20/11/08 15:55:00 Patricia Nicholas
   Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 12:47:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 13:00:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 13:26:00 Sarah Felstead
            Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 13:38:00 Sarah Felstead
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 16:55:00 Robin Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park Consultation survey29/07/09 17:06:00 Paul Fisher
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0629/07/09 18:02:00 Robin Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0629/07/09 18:12:00 Paul Fisher
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0629/07/09 23:59:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 00:04:00 Neil Chippendale
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 00:58:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Stop this childish name calling30/07/09 09:28:00 Michael Brandt
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 10:36:00 Patricia Nicholas
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 10:18:00 Patricia Nicholas
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 10:25:00 Paul Fisher
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 10:34:00 Patricia Nicholas
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 11:01:00 Paul Fisher
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0630/07/09 21:11:00 Matt Harmer
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 13:51:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 13:57:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 13:59:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 15:04:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 15:17:00 Paul Fisher
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 16:10:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 16:18:00 Paul Fisher
                                                            Message for Bela07/08/09 19:05:00 Robin Taylor
                                                               Re:Message for Robin07/08/09 20:45:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 20:18:00 Susan Kelly
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0607/08/09 20:38:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0608/08/09 09:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Paul's post of 17:0608/08/09 13:28:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                     To Phil Andrews09/08/09 10:46:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                                        Re:To Phil Andrews18/08/09 11:36:00 Mick Brent
                                                                           Re:Re:local councillors, party activist and Politicians poodles,21/08/09 15:39:00 Philip Walsh
                                                                           Re:Re:To Phil Andrews21/08/09 16:30:00 Mick Brent
                                                                              Reply to Philip Walsh21/08/09 18:09:00 Maria Isabel Cunha
                                                                                 Re:Reply to Philip Walsh21/08/09 20:10:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                    Re:Re:Reply to Philip Walsh21/08/09 20:15:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                                       Surely all of  Gunnersbury Park is in Brentford, LBH  21/08/09 22:36:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                                          Re:Surely all of  Gunnersbury Park is in Brentford, LBH  21/08/09 23:06:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                                             Re:Re:Surely all of  Gunnersbury Park is in Brentford, LBH  (pictures)(A plaque)22/08/09 13:16:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                                                Gunnersbury Park.. why not visit there today and see it for yourself22/08/09 13:20:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                                                   Re:Gunnersbury Park.. why not visit there today and see it for yourself22/08/09 13:24:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park.. why not visit there today and see it for yourself24/08/09 12:03:00 Philip Walsh
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Park.. why not visit there today and see it for yourself24/08/09 14:48:00 Maria Isabel Cunha

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