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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 2
Posted by: Raymond Havelock
Date/Time: 12/06/20 14:05:00


These 'schemes' are so seriously flawed that one wonders if any of those advocating them, have elderly parents, or grandparents or experienced mobility access issues that occur, sometimes at any time in life.

Or even tried even occasionally looking after someone for more than a month let alone a year or ten and still having some sort of normal life.

Just how will the legions of volunteers and unpaid carers , friends and so on be able to do what is being done now?

Drop off shopping,  drive people to appointments of all sorts. and allow those who are housebound either by long term problems, old age, ailments or ill health a degree of normal quality of life?

I've done a little bit of this in the last few months, but know others  who are out locally, every day, doing stuff for those who may well have to remain locked down for the rest of the year?

How many get up early or go out late to drop off or collect a partner or sibling from  their shifts at hospitals?

Interesting that those who advocate cycling are the very middle class who are generally young, fit, healthy and can afford a cleaner at home.

To use Covid as a smokescreen to implement things without proper consultation and to satisfy idealistic movements is simply wrong if it causes damage to day to day life for too many to suit policies.

How many drive a sick or infirm person , family or friend or neighbour to a Hospital or clinic appointment?

I took someone to Northwick Park just before the lockdown, as a favour. It took 6 hours for a 20 min appointment. Impossible to park there and almost equally impossible to get to from here.  Now it's being made even more difficult. And by public transport was completely unfeasible even then. Stupid now if not in full health.

A great many people in need and rather isolated live off Green Dragon Lane and Burford Road.

This proposal will seriously affect both those who help, those who deliver and those who live in a small degree of need.

It is the same in other places too.

Like the CPZs, the downside has been the increased isolation of elderly and lonely from the cost and reduction of those who do something at their own cost fiscally and in time.

If these issues cannot be addressed and solved then there is no mandate to cause more discrimination against older people both those who do their bit and those in isolation and poorer health.

And unfortunately, though you don't see it written anywhere, the cold hard fact is the safest way to move around is alone in a car. And that may be for a good while yet.


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church street 211/06/20 18:23:00 Chris White
   Re:church street 211/06/20 18:45:00 Vanessa Smith
      Re:Re:church street 211/06/20 18:47:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Re:church street 211/06/20 18:47:00 Chris White
         Re:Re:Re:church street 211/06/20 22:37:00 Subbaiah Kuttanda
            Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 11:38:00 Alex Shpinkov
      Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 07:42:00 Mike Paterson
         Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 11:08:00 David Squire
            Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 11:39:00 Alex Shpinkov
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 12:23:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 14:05:00 Raymond Havelock
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 20:53:00 Scott Doyle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 212/06/20 21:13:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 00:15:00 Chris White
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 12:49:00 Scott Doyle
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 12:59:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 16:18:00 N V Brooks
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 11:34:00 Guy Lambert
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 11:46:00 N V Brooks
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 20:32:00 Marina Thomas
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 213/06/20 20:01:00 Marina Thomas
   Re:church street 213/06/20 21:09:00 Raymond Havelock
      Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 01:02:00 Guy Lambert
         Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 08:51:00 N V Brooks
            Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 14:16:00 Eric Baker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 14:37:00 N V Brooks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 14:53:00 Nicholas Beard
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 15:05:00 N V Brooks
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 16:21:00 Paul Fisher
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 16:21:00 Guy Lambert
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 16:43:00 N V Brooks
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 20:59:00 Raymond Havelock
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 214/06/20 21:05:00 Guy Lambert
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 08:43:00 Raymond Havelock
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 09:18:00 Guy Lambert
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 10:38:00 Raymond Havelock
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 14:12:00 Eric Baker
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 14:26:00 Guy Lambert
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 16:10:00 N V Brooks
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 18:50:00 Guy Lambert
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 20:44:00 N V Brooks
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 215/06/20 22:22:00 Guy Lambert
                                                         Road closures16/06/20 03:23:00 Peter Evans
                                                            Re:Road closures16/06/20 07:59:00 N V Brooks
                                                               Re:Re:Road closures16/06/20 11:03:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Road closures16/06/20 13:26:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures16/06/20 14:37:00 Peter Evans
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures16/06/20 16:54:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures17/06/20 16:09:00 Brian McMillan
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures17/06/20 17:11:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures17/06/20 07:48:00 Alex Shpinkov
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures17/06/20 09:52:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Road closures22/06/20 10:23:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:church street 218/06/20 13:17:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Re:church street 218/06/20 17:35:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:church street 218/06/20 17:54:00 Nicholas Beard
         Re:Re:Re:church street 219/06/20 11:30:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 219/06/20 20:27:00 Eric Baker
            Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 220/06/20 12:55:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 222/06/20 13:21:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 222/06/20 13:35:00 N V Brooks
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 222/06/20 16:03:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 223/06/20 22:05:00 Anne England
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 223/06/20 22:34:00 Guy Lambert
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 224/06/20 09:23:00 Alex Shpinkov
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 224/06/20 11:21:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:church street 224/06/20 12:46:00 Alex Shpinkov

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