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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?
Posted by: Robin Taylor
Date/Time: 03/06/09 10:41:00

Phil.

The fourth paragraph of your posting indicates to me (and I will choose my words carefully here) that there is a significant part of your thinking that remains unchanged from the old days.

Your allegation that the Anti Nazi League received £30k as a grant from Hounslow Council was one that you made frequently in the letters pages of the Brentford Chiswick & Isleworth Times in the 1990s. It was also an allegation that was made by one Warren Glass, who stood as a BNP candidate in Heston East. (In fact, the two of you frequently seemed like a double act in terms of the propoganda that you were issuing).

It hardly needs to be said that the allegation was baseless. Your claim that the ANL received this money through a 'front organisation' was also frequntly articulated by you in the Times. (The said front organisation being the Southall Monitoring Group).

Yet it hardly needs to be said that the ANL and the SMG were entirely separate (one being a national body concerned with combatting the far right; the other being a local group concerned with counselling the victims of racial attacks). The two bodies did, however, hold a few joint demonstrations.

I remember having a beer with my ANL colleagues in the Bulstrode pub (after one of our regular Saturday petitions in Hounslow town centre) and hearing them scream with laughter at the notion that we received £30k from the local authority. The attitude of one of them was "where is all the money we are told that we keep getting, that's what I'd like to know."

Still more absurd is your claim that the money was being used by the ANL to conduct "political campaigns" on behalf of the Labour Party. Most ANL members were scathing about the Labour Party. (In fact I was the only person active in Hounslow ANL who was simultaneously a Labour member).

As you know, Phil, the £30,000 you refer to was given as a grant to the SMG for the purpose of setting up and administering an emergency helpline for those suffering racial harassment. A worthy cause, surely? Well, evidently not in your eyes because you wrote to the press pouring scorn on the initiative.

Let us put the timing of this into perspective. You were a member of the NF from 1977-89; and were then in the fascist ITP from 1989-91. I believe that somewhere you have referred to completely turning your back on the far right in 1991 and immediately becoming a "ferocious anti racist". Well there wasn't much sign of that in the mid-1990s when you were criticising the SMG's emergency helpline.

You are wrong to suggest that those of us who were in the ANL were "to all intents and purposes ignoring the activities of the racist BNP in Hanworth, Heston and Feltham." In fact we spent most of our time in the mid-1990s combatting the BNP presence in those areas.

Unfortunately, there have been examples of things that you have said and done since then (including a number of bizarre remarks made by you on this forum) which lead people to further question the sincerity of your conversion from the far right. If somebody was to ask me whether I thought you are as bad today as you were when you were in the National Front, I would answer 'No'. If, on the other hand, somebody was to ask me if I think you've completely changed since your days in the National Front, then the answer would also be 'No'. Where, within the boundaries of those two points you really are I cannot gauge for sure. I CAN say that you are a political opponent and not one that I feel I could sincerely be polite to (which is why I will decline your invitation to have a coffee).

Leave aside for one moment your scathing criticisms of the ANL and the Labour Party. Why on earth do you criticise "Searchlight" - a highly acclaimed non-party political organisation which has done such a good job of exposing the activities of the far right? And how on earth did you make the "mistake" of posting on this forum a website address for an orgnaisation called "Searchlies" that was full of anti-semitism and holocaust denial?

It is things like this that cause people to have their doubts. 


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Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/03/09 22:44:00 Conal Stewart
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 00:04:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 02:12:00 Victor Mullins
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 11:44:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 12:57:00 Kath Richardson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 13:22:00 Paul Fisher
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 15:42:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 23:17:00 Andrew Dakers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:06:00 Conal Stewart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 15:32:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 21:03:00 Dave Hughes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 21:11:00 Phil Andrews
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 23:15:00 Andrew Dakers
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 16:09:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 16:54:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:08:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:39:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:42:00 Dave Hughes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:49:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:07:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:07:00 Conal Stewart
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:23:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:32:00 Paul Fisher
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:38:00 Dave Hughes
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:38:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:49:00 Alan Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:00:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:18:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:26:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 19:58:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 22:58:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:04:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:11:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:32:00 Dave Hughes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:47:00 Adam Beamish
                        How much has price waterhouse cost the council so far04/03/09 20:40:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:50:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:57:00 Dave Hughes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:05:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:09:00 Phil Andrews
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 21:48:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 21:56:00 Corinna Smart
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 22:07:00 Corinna Smart
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 00:16:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 17:31:00 Corinna Smart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 18:05:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 09:46:00 Corinna Smart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 12:46:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:17:00 Dave Hughes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:17:00 Dave Hughes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:30:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:58:00 Dave Hughes
                        Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 14:09:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:23:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:23:00 Dave Hughes
                              Re:Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:33:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 22:04:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 07:58:00 Dave Hughes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:04:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:27:00 Dave Hughes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:32:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 14:01:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 22:08:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:02:00 Conal Stewart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 17:06:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 12:27:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:12:00 Conal Stewart
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 14:05:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 01:23:00 Robin Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 01:50:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 02:07:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 02:19:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 11:13:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 12:06:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 16:07:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 17:11:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 19:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 19:55:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 21:32:00 Robin Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 03:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our 03/06/09 07:50:00 Dave Hughes
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our 03/06/09 07:57:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing t03/06/09 10:57:00 Dave Hughes
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing t03/06/09 12:57:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories d03/06/09 14:34:00 Dave Hughes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 10:41:00 Robin Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 11:38:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 14:05:00 Robin Taylor
   Don't suppose somebody could explain ...07/03/09 14:22:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 14:09:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 14:46:00 S Passmore
            Re:Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...04/06/09 22:11:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 16:03:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...31/05/09 23:09:00 Dan Filson
            Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 03:01:00 Dan Filson
               Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 04:17:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 10:43:00 Dan Filson
                     Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 10:49:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 11:58:00 Dan Filson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 12:31:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 15:35:00 Dan Filson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 15:38:00 Dan Filson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 16:06:00 Dave Hughes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 17:21:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 17:41:00 Phil Andrews

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