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Topic: Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...
Posted by: Dan Filson
Date/Time: 31/05/09 23:09:00

I first read any of this thread today and it makes dismal reading - much of it a slanging match. There are a few sane comments in there Adam Beamish, who comes across a wearied former officer of Hounslow slightly despairing at the mud-slinging and Alan Clark, who must be bemused at intruding into this private grief, and one or two others. But the councillors and ex-councillors bring local politics into disrepute by the way they conduct themselves in this thread and on this site.

From what I understand from all this, Hounslow Council may or may not have cut the overall resources to English language education for children without English as their first language. What the Council seems to have done is delegate the funds previously disbursed centrally down to the schools to administer under local management of schools (schools are obliged to spend a certain % on special education needs but can exceed that %).

The downside of such delegation is that not all schools have the same % of pupils in need so the resourcing being delegated may not match the need to spend that the schools may have, and the schools may have to make difficult decisions as to whether to buy back into this service or spend the money elsewhere on the majority of the pupils. Some schools will do little or nothing to aid their children with special needs, others go out of their way.

Now I don't know if I have read the facts right, partly because the thread is so incoherent, so i may have read all this wrong.

I am surprised the Headteachers and the NUT were not consulted, if that is so, but not surprised no Headteachers have joined this thread as they probably despair at the doings of this Council (and that may not be affected by the 2006 election results). As to the NUT, I know Christine Blower who heads the NUT - she was for a long time a special needs teacher in a neighbouring borough, and she is not normally shy at coming forward. If the NUT was not consulted I am sure they are very capable of protesting but this is not an easy issue to get across to the majority of the general public.

Yes parents do have a responsibility to prepare their children for school - I learned to read before I got there - but it is expecting a bit much of parents who do not have English as their first langauge ti get their children ready to the same level of confidence in English as their peers in the Nursery or Reception class, and it is equally difficult for children who arrive in England at say age 7 or 9.

What a pity this thread could not have been conducted in a rational, unabusive and coherent manner on the actual issues. Both "sides" have a legitimate perspective as to the best way to proceed but it wasn't displayed here.


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Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/03/09 22:44:00 Conal Stewart
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 00:04:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 02:12:00 Victor Mullins
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 11:44:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 12:57:00 Kath Richardson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 13:22:00 Paul Fisher
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 15:42:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 23:17:00 Andrew Dakers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:06:00 Conal Stewart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 15:32:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 21:03:00 Dave Hughes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 21:11:00 Phil Andrews
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 23:15:00 Andrew Dakers
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 16:09:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 16:54:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:08:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:39:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:42:00 Dave Hughes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:49:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:07:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:07:00 Conal Stewart
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:23:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:32:00 Paul Fisher
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:38:00 Dave Hughes
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:38:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:49:00 Alan Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:00:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:18:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:26:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 19:58:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 22:58:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:04:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:11:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:32:00 Dave Hughes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 20:47:00 Adam Beamish
                        How much has price waterhouse cost the council so far04/03/09 20:40:00 Dave Hughes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:50:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 17:57:00 Dave Hughes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:05:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 18:09:00 Phil Andrews
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?04/03/09 21:48:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 21:56:00 Corinna Smart
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?05/03/09 22:07:00 Corinna Smart
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 00:16:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 17:31:00 Corinna Smart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?06/03/09 18:05:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 09:46:00 Corinna Smart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 12:46:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:17:00 Dave Hughes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:17:00 Dave Hughes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:30:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 13:58:00 Dave Hughes
                        Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 14:09:00 Phil Andrews
                           Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:23:00 Dave Hughes
                           Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:23:00 Dave Hughes
                              Re:Re:Move over Brad Pitt...07/03/09 15:33:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 22:04:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 07:58:00 Dave Hughes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:04:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:27:00 Dave Hughes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?08/03/09 09:32:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 14:01:00 Dave Hughes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 22:08:00 Andrew Michael John Atkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:02:00 Conal Stewart
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 17:06:00 Colin Murphy
   Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?07/03/09 12:27:00 Dave Hughes
      Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 13:12:00 Conal Stewart
         Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?31/05/09 14:05:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 01:23:00 Robin Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 01:50:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 02:07:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 02:19:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 11:13:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 12:06:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 16:07:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 17:11:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 19:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 19:55:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?02/06/09 21:32:00 Robin Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 03:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our 03/06/09 07:50:00 Dave Hughes
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our 03/06/09 07:57:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing t03/06/09 10:57:00 Dave Hughes
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing t03/06/09 12:57:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories d03/06/09 14:34:00 Dave Hughes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 10:41:00 Robin Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 11:38:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just what are the Tories and Junior Tories doing to our borough?03/06/09 14:05:00 Robin Taylor
   Don't suppose somebody could explain ...07/03/09 14:22:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 14:09:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 14:46:00 S Passmore
            Re:Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...04/06/09 22:11:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...08/03/09 16:03:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Don't suppose somebody could explain ...31/05/09 23:09:00 Dan Filson
            Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 03:01:00 Dan Filson
               Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 04:17:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 10:43:00 Dan Filson
                     Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 10:49:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 11:58:00 Dan Filson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 12:31:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 15:35:00 Dan Filson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 15:38:00 Dan Filson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 16:06:00 Dave Hughes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 17:21:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the scrapping and focus on the issues!02/06/09 17:41:00 Phil Andrews

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