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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch
Posted by: Nick Marbrow
Date/Time: 10/08/10 20:16:00

Adam,

In my previous posting I was inviting you to think outside of the box.  The current system simply cannot provide effective planning control because the number of breaches of planning control guidelines far exceeds the capacity of Planning Department to look at them, let alone deal with them.  LBH Planning now relies almost exclusively on the public to report breaches of the guidelines, and most of the public find the process too daunting.  Even if there is a breach of the guidelines they finish up with the Officer’s subjective view that “no material harm is being caused” or “enforcement action is not considered expedient”.   Full planning control means checking every new development is in conformance with planning rules, and I do mean rules and not guidelines.  The use of guidelines might have been acceptable a few decades ago when very few houses added extensions and outbuildings.  Now there are very few properties that do not have some form of extension or significant modification such as an outbuilding or conversion of the front garden to hard-standing.  We now have a concrete jungle and it is getting worse at an exponential rate.  We need changes to the building control regime to preserve the urban English environment.  In my view building regulations should be similar to traffic regulations.  You can still treat a speed limit as a guideline, but the police will see it as a rule when considering whether to take action.

You won’t have heard of a Compliance Certificate because I invented it.  All developments should be compliant with the planning regulations in force at the time the building is inspected (not those in force at the time of development).  If the building is not in compliance, then it needs to be brought into compliance, and each inspection and each Compliance Certificate is a potential revenue item.  Developments could still be done with or without planning approval, but if done without approval the developer may find problems getting a Compliance Certificate particularly if regulations change making previously acceptable changes unacceptable.  So it would be in the interest of the developer to get the Compliance Certificate as soon as possible, and to get prior planning approval to improve the prospects of getting the Certificate.  Of course, when selling the property the conveyance procedure would include verification that any property has the appropriate Conformance Certificate(s).  There should be no four-year immunity clause to hide behind.

Reports from the public of potential breaches of the development “rules”, should be seen by Planning Department as potential revenue generators.  To further increase departmental revenue Planning Officers should be sent out to audit developments throughout the borough on a street-by-street basis.  The potential revenue should enable significant reductions in council tax: perhaps its elimination!!  

I’m not sure that the Council could make a statutory charge every time a complainant lodges an enforcement complaint that correctly points out that a development is in breach of the guidelines, but is then classed as  “unsubstantiated” on the basis of the subjective view of the Planning Officer that “no material harm is being caused” or “enforcement action is not considered expedient”.  Joe Public is not that simple minded.  The guidelines should become rules that cannot be overridden by any subjective opinion of a Planning Officer or for the administrative convenience of the Planning Department

If you look at the issue from the other side of the table you should also be suggesting that, when a complainant lodges an enforcement complaint that turns out to be correct, there should be a statutory charge on the local council for failing to provide effective planning control.  It would be the same logic.  Of course the charge would have to be paid out of the salaries of the planning department staff not by the council tax payer!  It should also be accepted by the Planning Department that every breach of the planning guidelines causes material harm because it undermines the validity of the planning guidelines.

You also suggest that complainants should have to check for themselves whether the development requires planning permission before the Council agree to utilise resources by visiting a site.  Joe Public now has sole responsibility for identifying breaches of planning control guidelines because the Council has decided that it will not monitor developments themselves.  The Council has delegated this task to Joe Public but without telling Joe Public that it is now its job, and without providing Joe Public with any training.  Did the Council realise the consequences of their actions when they “outsourced” this job?  Perhaps they thought that, since Joe Public has not been trained in planning control procedures, the problem of rogue developments had been kicked into the long grass – or at least the cost of dealing with rogue developments would not hit the Council’s budget.

As for finding the suggestion that minutes of the team leaders meetings should be published is “interesting”, I am amazed that there can be any doubt that the minutes should be a matter of public record.  It cannot be in the public interest to keep the discussions secret.  Therein lies the basis of deep suspicion about the probity of some planning decisions.  It is in the interest of everyone, especially Planning Officers, that the minutes be published.  It would be a step in the right direction to at least keep a record of the team leader meetings!

Adam, while I am sure that you can draw on your long career in local government to defend the current system, could I ask you to also apply that same experience to help to find a way of delivering a more effective system of planning control.  What we have at the moment can be seen to be less than adequate.


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Reisdents launch LBH Watch28/07/10 18:06:00 Phil Andrews
   Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch28/07/10 18:21:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch28/07/10 18:50:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch28/07/10 22:48:00 Richard Jennings
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch28/07/10 23:25:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 00:23:00 Richard Jennings
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 08:32:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 12:33:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 15:17:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 15:57:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 18:40:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 20:15:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch29/07/10 14:14:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch29/07/10 16:10:00 John Connelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch29/07/10 16:34:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch29/07/10 17:08:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch29/07/10 22:26:00 Ian Speed
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch29/07/10 23:42:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 10:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 10:38:00 Ian Speed
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 11:13:00 Tony Wood
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 11:19:00 Ian Speed
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 11:30:00 Tony Wood
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 12:42:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 13:43:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 13:19:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 13:49:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 16:56:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 17:55:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 22:46:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch02/08/10 23:07:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch03/08/10 13:44:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch03/08/10 13:49:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch30/07/10 13:55:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Phil launches LBH Watch31/07/10 00:22:00 Ian Speed
                                       Residents launch LBH Watch04/08/10 12:38:00 Jim Lawes
                                          Re:Residents launch LBH Watch04/08/10 12:59:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 13:21:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 14:01:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 15:19:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 16:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 22:18:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 23:44:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 00:44:00 Richard Jennings
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 01:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 08:42:00 B Abbott
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 10:46:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 13:42:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 13:56:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 22:41:00 Richard Jennings
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 13:33:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 13:49:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                  thanks for the thanks23/08/10 08:08:00 B Abbott
                                                                     Re:thanks for the thanks23/08/10 10:42:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re:thanks for the thanks23/08/10 14:05:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks24/08/10 11:02:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks24/08/10 12:04:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks25/08/10 13:52:00 Ian Speed
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks16/09/10 17:04:00 Lawrence Brown
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks16/09/10 19:08:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks18/09/10 12:13:00 Lawrence Brown
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks18/09/10 13:21:00 Ian Speed
                                                                                             :Re:Re:Re:Re:thanks for the thanks19/09/10 12:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                LBH Watch Meeting 27th September 19/09/10 12:49:00 Ian Speed
                                             Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 20:02:00 Nick Marbrow
                                                Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/08/10 21:59:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch07/08/10 09:32:00 Nick Marbrow
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch08/08/10 11:07:00 Adam Beamish
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch08/08/10 11:25:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 07:42:00 Adam Beamish
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 07:44:00 Ian Speed
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 14:47:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 15:02:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 23:05:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 00:02:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 08:54:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 09:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/08/10 12:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 20:16:00 Nick Marbrow
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 22:43:00 Adam Beamish
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch11/08/10 14:30:00 Nick Marbrow
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch05/09/10 09:57:00 Nick Marbrow
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch09/09/10 13:21:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Residents launch LBH Watch11/09/10 08:24:00 Nick Marbrow
   Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch06/08/10 11:24:00 Ian Speed
      Re:Re:Reisdents launch LBH Watch10/08/10 03:41:00 Jim Lawes

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