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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's
Posted by: Guy Lambert
Date/Time: 06/02/26 22:33:00

The proposal does include provision (up to a point) for an arts centre.
It is reduced in size from the previous planning approval: the council say it's because there is no demand for a cinema because Brentford already has one.
The real reason is that there is not enough money in the deal to provide a centre at the level previously approved.
The provision for an arts centre began with a budget of £20M and a large theatre, because Arts Counicl England wanted to provide a 500 seater theatre to accommodate a West London Dance centre.
That was cut early on, because the ACE had no money for it and the developer said there was only £10M budget. Then that became £7M because the developer had already bought the site and was incurring interest costs.
At that stage, a plan for a reduced size arts centre with cinemas, theatre, cafe, rehearsal rooms etc was included in the costing.
Then it all fell apart, partly because Michael Gove called for a public enquiry. The public enquiry agreed with what had been agreed earlier by Hounslow but a few years, legal costs and more interest costs had accrued. Then we had Brexit (construction costs went much higher and many skilled builders left the UK) Truss (interest costs went through the roof) new building regs post Grenfell meant extra staircases had to be provided.
So the proosal now is for a smaller empty shell for the arts centre and the council will (if all goes to plan) call on arts providers to bid for the design, construction and operation of an arts centre.
There is also when I last looked a large deficit in the finances - I have heard £50M shortfall mentioned. Whether there is a realistic prospect of any of this being built is beyond my ken. We were told in 2024 that there would be spades in the ground last summer. Now the story is that there 'could' be spades late this year.
In reality, I am sceptical about that unless there is a magic money tree somewhere in national or local government. But of course schemes like this are very sensitive to interest rates (likely to fall) building cost inflation (anybody's guess) and what happens to house prices (ditto)

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Waterman's04/02/25 23:22:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Re:Waterman's04/02/25 23:26:00 Guy Lambert
      Re:Re:Waterman's05/02/25 09:53:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Re:Waterman's05/02/25 21:00:00 Guy Lambert
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/25 08:47:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/25 18:03:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/25 18:25:00 Eric Alan Leach
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's10/02/25 03:28:00 Eric Alan Leach
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/02/25 17:18:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/02/25 18:24:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/02/25 20:05:00 Simon Hayes
                                 Reply21/02/25 10:41:00 Jeremy Parkinson
                                    Re:Reply21/02/25 15:46:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Reply22/02/25 15:20:00 Anne England
                                          Re:Re:Re:Reply22/02/25 19:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply22/02/25 20:47:00 Anne England
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply03/03/25 11:07:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 10:43:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 12:32:00 Guy Lambert
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 13:48:00 Guy Lambert
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 16:21:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                               Waterman's Park : an idea.26/05/25 23:08:00 Jim Lawes
                                                                  Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.27/05/25 08:52:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                     Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.13/06/25 13:35:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.14/08/25 00:04:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.14/08/25 12:01:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.14/08/25 23:28:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.16/08/25 09:23:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.16/08/25 11:44:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.16/08/25 11:48:00 Chris Dakers
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.16/08/25 13:28:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.16/08/25 15:00:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.23/08/25 13:46:00 Joanne Sky
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's Park : an idea.23/08/25 17:15:00 Guy Lambert
   Re:Waterman's29/08/25 17:35:00 Sally Mason
      Re:Re:Waterman's29/08/25 18:05:00 Simon Hayes
   Re:Waterman's29/08/25 18:39:00 irene barber
      Re:Re:Waterman's29/08/25 22:17:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Waterman's30/08/25 10:35:00 Andrew Buckland
   Re:Waterman's30/08/25 17:00:00 Barbara Dudley
      Re:Re:Waterman's31/08/25 08:15:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Re:Waterman's31/08/25 09:38:00 Raymond Havelock
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's31/08/25 11:52:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's31/08/25 15:07:00 Raymond Havelock
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's01/09/25 12:33:00 Joanne Sky
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's14/11/25 13:40:00 Kass Stewart
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's15/11/25 17:44:00 Guy Lambert
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's01/09/25 14:19:00 Susan Kelly
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's01/09/25 15:48:00 Chris Dakers
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's01/09/25 16:44:00 Simon Hayes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's23/10/25 15:00:00 Eric Alan Leach
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's23/10/25 20:42:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's23/10/25 22:00:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's12/11/25 16:21:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's12/11/25 19:37:00 Guy Lambert
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's12/11/25 22:50:00 Keith Iddon
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/11/25 12:52:00 Anne England
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/11/25 13:06:00 Anne England
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/11/25 16:14:00 Keith Iddon
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's13/11/25 18:03:00 Anne England
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's14/11/25 11:43:00 Guy Lambert
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's14/11/25 14:59:00 Keith Iddon
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's20/11/25 19:09:00 Craig Owen
   Re:Waterman's15/11/25 14:22:00 Simon Wycombe
      Re:Re:Waterman's06/12/25 08:46:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Re:Waterman's06/12/25 11:37:00 Simon Hayes
      Re:Re:Waterman's03/01/26 13:08:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Waterman's05/01/26 17:00:00 Simon Hayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's05/01/26 23:25:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/01/26 11:27:00 Simon Hayes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/01/26 23:32:00 David Cook
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's07/01/26 08:06:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's08/01/26 08:11:00 Guy Lambert
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's08/01/26 10:00:00 Eric Alan Leach
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's08/01/26 17:09:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's09/01/26 21:15:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's12/01/26 13:59:00 Simon Hayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's12/01/26 18:10:00 Chris Dakers
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/26 13:56:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/26 17:57:00 Keith Iddon
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/02/26 22:33:00 Guy Lambert
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's06/03/26 17:05:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Waterman's10/03/26 12:14:00 Jeremy Parkinson

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