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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished
Posted by: Raymond Havelock
Date/Time: 01/03/17 10:24:00

For such a building of historical importance and given it's status this seems a very unusual method of renovation.

If it were the public library or say, Pitzhanger Manor, the procedures and methods of modification and renovation have to be strictly adhered to and end up costing a huge amount. Part of Pitzhanger Manor is only mid 20th century yet even that wing has to be complied with.

However I was allowed a closer look today and clearly the lime mix mortar is past it's best and no longer providing a safe bond to the bricks, which are in good condition. The walls are so thick that the integrity is still good but it cannot be just repointed, the inner bricks would remain potentially loose.

It is sulphur that breaks down lime mortar and no doubt the Gas Works played a large part in that.   And we worry about pollution now. It was horrendous here just 50 years ago.

So it is fair to say, that the structure needs rebuilding. It's not an architectural marvel, but it is of significant historical reference and has survived a war and massive industrialisation.

But.

It needs to be very carefully and knowledgeably overseen.  A repetition of Firestone or Richmond Ice Rink with a developer quitting, reforming and voiding all agreements needs to be prevented.

A very large proportion of the original materials can be used and the quality of the hidden bricks can give an as originally new finish if swapped for the weather worn ones.

The roofing materials, lintels door frames and so on all need to be in keeping or exactly the same as original.

The question is whether this is being overseen, adhered to and monitored.

Apart from Guys updates, there is yet again really poor communication.

People are not stupid but all the secrecy and avoidance of details is still an insult to our community as a whole.

It would not go amiss for a few "what's happening display boards" to be placed on the site hoardings and a viewing point, it is after all quite an unusual conversion of both sites and worth a look.

The rebuilt facades at Kew Bridge Stn and the far better rear of the buildings along with the refurbishment and conversion of the former Star and Garter hotel on the throat of Kew Bridge show that it is possible to have far more appropriate developments and retain the proportions and aesthetics of Brentford.

Again not properly explained. So no proper views can be formed.
When the truth outs, like the farce of the Morrisons and Watermans deals, views can be formed and it will not always be positive.
These are clearly more than a little flawed and have far reaching detrimental ramifications.

There are several buildings where clever and tasteful conversions would be far more interesting and exciting to live in than some of the utterly dreadful cheap apologies that pass for architecture currently being proposed.

Maybe


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Trimmer Hall20/05/16 17:54:00 Hazel Dakers
   Re:Trimmer Hall20/05/16 18:21:00 Vanessa Smith
      Re:Re:Trimmer Hall20/05/16 19:20:00 Sarah Felstead
         Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall21/05/16 11:39:00 Vanessa Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall22/05/16 21:43:00 Phil Andrews
               :Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 08:50:00 John Todd
                  Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 08:55:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 10:15:00 Hazel Dakers
                     Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 12:08:00 Raymond Havelock
                        Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 12:12:00 Hazel Dakers
                        Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 12:21:00 Adam Beamish
                           Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 13:00:00 Guy Lambert
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 13:58:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 16:56:00 Reg Ghosh
                                    Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 18:50:00 John Todd
                                       Re:Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 18:58:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 19:08:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building23/05/16 20:43:00 Raymond Havelock
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 11:26:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 11:30:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 12:55:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 15:40:00 Adam Beamish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 15:50:00 Raymond Havelock
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 15:51:00 Vanessa Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 18:30:00 Hazel Dakers
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 19:46:00 Adam Beamish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 20:03:00 Paul Fisher
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 22:59:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 20:24:00 Hazel Dakers
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 20:32:00 Adam Beamish
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building01/06/16 11:23:00 Mike Paterson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building01/06/16 12:56:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building02/06/16 06:44:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building02/06/16 09:03:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                            Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building04/06/16 12:33:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building04/06/16 13:53:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building04/06/16 12:31:00 Dawn Hardy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building28/05/16 15:40:00 Dawn Hardy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building04/06/16 12:23:00 Dawn Hardy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building24/05/16 20:57:00 Bernard Allen
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall a listed building25/05/16 13:25:00 Raymond Havelock
   Re:Trimmer Hall09/06/16 09:15:00 Paul Scullion
      Re:Re:Trimmer Hall09/06/16 10:43:00 Guy Lambert
      Re:Re:Trimmer Hall15/06/16 09:03:00 Tim Henderson
         Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall15/06/16 12:54:00 Adam Beamish
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall15/06/16 14:00:00 Guy Lambert
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall15/06/16 14:40:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trimmer Hall15/06/16 19:04:00 Guy Lambert
                     :Trimmer Hall still has no roof07/02/17 10:45:00 Keith Iddon
                        Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof07/02/17 20:00:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof07/02/17 22:53:00 Hazel Dakers
                           Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof08/02/17 22:35:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 14:06:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 17:06:00 Guy Lambert
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 17:17:00 Hazel Dakers
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 18:19:00 Vanessa Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 21:07:00 Keith Iddon
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 22:48:00 Guy Lambert
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof20/02/17 07:29:00 Keith Iddon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof09/02/17 22:51:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof19/02/17 21:31:00 Paul Scullion
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof19/02/17 21:37:00 Guy Lambert
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof20/02/17 10:57:00 Paul Scullion
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof20/02/17 12:53:00 Keith Iddon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof20/02/17 15:45:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof20/02/17 15:49:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 02:53:00 Neil Chippendale
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 08:59:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 09:20:00 Paul Scullion
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 09:32:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 12:18:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof22/02/17 17:20:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof23/02/17 08:49:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof23/02/17 15:16:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                    :Trimmer Hall still has no roof27/02/17 15:37:00 Reg Ghosh
                                                                                       Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof27/02/17 17:21:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                          Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof27/02/17 17:25:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re::Trimmer Hall still has no roof27/02/17 18:36:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                Now virtually demolished28/02/17 17:49:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                   Re:Now virtually demolished28/02/17 22:04:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Now virtually demolished01/03/17 00:44:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished01/03/17 09:06:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished01/03/17 10:24:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished01/03/17 11:16:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                  Gillette South line of trees across site now demolished01/03/17 12:15:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                                                                                     Re:Gillette South line of trees across site now demolished01/03/17 12:19:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                                                                     Re:Gillette South line of trees across site now demolished01/03/17 12:24:00 Adam Beamish
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished01/03/17 12:37:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Now virtually demolished02/03/17 11:02:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                            Trimmer Hall virtually demolished17/03/17 13:02:00 Bryan Betts
   Re:Trimmer Hall29/08/17 15:00:00 Sarah Felstead

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