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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure
Posted by: Michael Brandt
Date/Time: 16/07/13 18:37:00

Correction: the government of this country elected a few generations ago to bring the class divide to an end and create a welfare state.

Our whole system in this country is geared to it.
Part of that responsiblity is  or was state ownership, to protect both industry and employment.

Few British private companies prior to 1948 cared much for the welfare of employees.

Those that did are few, Cadbury's Sunlight, the railway companies and utility and several others are well documented. Providing homes and a good security.

But looming large was the American system and that is what we would have had if it were not for the welfare state.

The trouble is it was too restraining and the unions had an easy lever with state owned industry and they played a large part in it's demise - long before Thatcher arrived on the scene.

Healthy and profitable state industry not only generates enough income to plough back into improving it's industry but also to fund the state system like  pensions and benefits.

The unions did a lot of damage in the 60s and 70s by being complacent in some issues like equal rights for women and militant over trivial issues. They opened the door to other ideas.

Times have changed but we now have a huge underclass.

Take the Royal Mail. It's profitable even though it has been badly run by a raft of management like Adam Crozier and co.  it could and should have been so much better but both Labour and Tory governments have always kept it shackled.

But it has a large workforce many of whom will not fare well in the outside world.
It's very possible that 60% of the workforce will be disguarded upon privatisation. Most will never get another job.

So they will end up on benefits, and suffering all the other problems being on the scrapheap brings and we the taxpayer will be funding it while the new owners of Royal Mail share out the pickings.

What's better, a large workforce actually working for a living and a business that provides at least a small profit for the UK or an ever increasing underclass with a life of hopelessness?

I may not be a socialist but there is a line that has to be drawn if we want a society with an NHS and safety net for all.


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Low Water Pressure10/07/13 07:42:00 Ron Curant
   Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 12:31:00 Simon Anderson
      Re:Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 17:34:00 Raymond Havelock
         Re:Re:Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 17:40:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 17:57:00 Christopher Boucher
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 19:11:00 Michael Brandt
                  :Re:Low Water Pressure10/07/13 20:45:00 Steve Taylor
                     Re::Re:Low Water Pressure11/07/13 20:58:00 Ryan Thomas
                        Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure11/07/13 21:16:00 Ron Curant
                           Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure11/07/13 23:42:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure12/07/13 08:14:00 Jim Linwood
                                 Re:Low Water Pressure13/07/13 10:14:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Low Water Pressure13/07/13 12:41:00 Jim Linwood
                                       Re:Re:Re:Low Water Pressure13/07/13 12:55:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure13/07/13 10:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure13/07/13 13:47:00 Vanessa Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 09:42:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 10:12:00 Raymond Havelock
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 16:16:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 20:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 21:02:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure14/07/13 23:38:00 Michael Brandt
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure15/07/13 00:09:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure15/07/13 10:24:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure15/07/13 10:33:00 Michael Brandt
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure15/07/13 11:58:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure16/07/13 10:33:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure16/07/13 18:04:00 Ryan Thomas
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure16/07/13 18:37:00 Michael Brandt
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure16/07/13 22:18:00 Anthony Waller
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure18/07/13 10:18:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Low Water Pressure18/07/13 10:25:00 Anthony Waller
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