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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Time for Phil to own up...
Posted by: Steve Taylor
Date/Time: 16/09/13 20:44:00

Robbie, as you know MRAG was founded by Hanifa and Phil Andrews who were joined by the Lib Dem Deputy Mayor of Richmond shortly afterwards. A comprehensive committee was then formed. The committee consists of members,  some of whom, I am aware are openly Lib Dem, Conservative or Labour and some of whom I have no idea which way they vote and I don't care. I would hazard a guess that they also don't know which way they will vote if at all.  I am not sure why you struggle to comprehend that MRAG is not a political group and why you can't understand that MRAG is totally independent of any political group. Paul Fisher used to be an ICG Councillor and he was welcomed as a committee member of MRAG because he committed to fight for justice and a clean environment.  Labour Councillors who had an interest in the mismanagement of Mogden, and actually wanted to do something about it, were also invited.

The aim of MRAG was, and still is, to hold Thames Water accountable to clean up its act and improve the environment in Hounslow and Richmond. MRAG was formed because three decades of Labour administration in Hounslow had failed miserably and allowed the Company to continue year in and year our to inflict misery upon residents.

Residents were therefore driven to take legal action for an injunction. It is a fact of life that lawyers and counsel do not act for free so it was decided that the Company needed to be sued for damages  as well as an injunction. The Company was found guilty of negligence and mismanage for the full period permissible under the law while it was under the Local Authority of the Labour led Council. The case cost Thames Water millions in defending its actions and in paying damages to residents.

However, although residents were paid damages, MRAG failed in its ultimate goal to stop the stench. Why did MRAG fail? MRAG failed because residents were stabbed in the back by Cllrs Cadbury and Reid who approved expansion of the failed site without considering the outcome of the High Court Action, which was in progress, and proving to the world how badly run the site was. Whilst it was made perfectly clear to the Director and Asst Director of Environment, as well as all Councillors, that the ongoing odour was being caused by uncovered storm tanks (not exactly rocket science), Cllrs Cadbury saw fit to propose expansion of the site without extracting an undertaking from Thames Water to cover the remaining  tanks.  We all know now that the expansion has been a disaster as far as odour control is concerned and arguably the odour is worse now than before the expansion program commenced. It is ironic that before the expansion commenced the odour had in fact improved as Thames Water had been forced by expert evidence prepared for the High Court trial to take some drastic actions to improve its operation. The expansion has negated those efforts.

Whilst residents welcome the fact that Labour is now prepared to try and correct its massive blunder, we would have thought they may consider consulting with experts before running off half-cocked to question Thames Water on issues they know so little about. Residents have repeatedly  stated that MRAG Committee members professional expertise includes legal, Environmental Science, Environmental Health, Civil Engineering, Immunology & Project Management.

I believe Mr Andrews' initial post was not to question that Labour didn't consult with the ICG but rather that Labour did not consult with MRAG. So be it, if they wish to try and tackle this complex issue on their own we will await the outcome with interest but everyone should be aware that the clock is ticking.


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Labours recent leaflet again12/09/13 13:55:00 Paul Fisher
   Re:Labours recent leaflet again12/09/13 15:15:00 Phil Andrews
      Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again12/09/13 19:33:00 Andrew Sibley
         Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again12/09/13 20:39:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again14/09/13 10:01:00 Andrew Simpson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again14/09/13 16:27:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again14/09/13 18:13:00 Andrew Simpson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again14/09/13 21:29:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again14/09/13 22:39:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 09:30:00 Andrew Simpson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 10:09:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 13:38:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 13:43:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 14:25:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 14:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                          For the attention of The Glorious One.15/09/13 15:27:00 Andrew Simpson
                                             Re:For the attention of The Glorious One.15/09/13 21:18:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:For the attention of The Glorious One.15/09/13 21:50:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:For the attention of The Glorious One.15/09/13 22:35:00 Andrew Simpson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 18:16:00 Vanessa Smith
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 18:38:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 19:06:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 19:10:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 19:26:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 19:32:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 19:49:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 23:29:00 Ian Speed
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again15/09/13 23:47:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again16/09/13 06:15:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again16/09/13 10:02:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                           Andrew Simpson's assertion 16/09/13 19:42:00 Ian Speed
                                                                              Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 16/09/13 20:31:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                                 Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 16/09/13 23:00:00 Ian Speed
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 09:10:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 13:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 13:35:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 17:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 17:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 17:31:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 20:18:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 22:24:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Andrew Simpson's assertion 17/09/13 22:34:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labours recent leaflet again16/09/13 10:08:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 11:07:00 Simon Anderson
                                                      Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 14:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 16:21:00 Simon Anderson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 17:52:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 19:22:00 Simon Anderson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 19:30:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 19:38:00 Simon Anderson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Question 4 Phil Andrews16/09/13 19:44:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Time for Phil to own up...16/09/13 20:19:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                              Re:Time for Phil to own up...16/09/13 20:30:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Time for Phil to own up...16/09/13 20:38:00 Andrew Simpson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Time for Phil to own up...16/09/13 20:44:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re: Labours recent leaflet again...24/09/13 21:56:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re: Labours recent leaflet again...25/09/13 11:28:00 Simon Anderson

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