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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd
Posted by: Adam Beamish
Date/Time: 10/08/09 23:15:00

In my view, many local planning authorities are poor when it comes to the wording of conditions imposed upon the granting of planning permission.  Sometimes this is because Officers don't really think through the wording and fail to heed the advice/six point test given in the relevant Government Circular (11/95) and sometimes it can be because Members overrule their Officers (both Planning and Legal) and impose absurd conditions that won't stand up.

Thanks for the link to that article, I just read it.  I think it is rather OTT if I'm honest, and the comment from the Leader of North Norfolk District Council is, in my view, laughable - if there are sound planning grounds for refusing an application from any applicant, be it a multi-national company or Joe Bloggs, then the application should be refused on those grounds, without worrying about the potential of that applicant being awarded costs on appeal.  Costs are only awarded upon appeal if the Council behaves unreasonably in terms of either its conduct during the appeal proceedings or for refusing an application on grounds that simply can't be defended.

The flip side of the coin which the article doesn't touch upon is that applicants often spend thousands of pounds getting a team of experts together to prepare and submit a planning application, all of the professional Officers support the proposal, and then it gets reported to Committee recommended for approval and you have Elected Members, the majority of which have no planning expertise and only limited knowledge/training, making the final decision, often completely disregarding the advice of professional officers and refusing the proposal, essentially because it keeps their local constitutents happy.  I've often heard such Members then say in committee "well let them appeal if they want to" but the reality is that some applicants are working on tight timescales and because a public inquiry is typically being determined in over 30 weeks rather than go through an appeal they will instead spend more money trying to tweak the scheme to keep those Councillors happy and hopefully get a decision at least a couple of months sooner.  So there is a flip side too.

Not, I should stress, that I'm necessarily criticising Elected Members, I don't envy the balancing act they have to perform being making rational/reasonable decisions and trying to represent their local constituents, but having been sat on both sides of the fence I can't begin to explain how frustrating it can be when either Councillors vote not to take enforcement action on something you've worked hard on for months, or when Councillors refuse to grant planning permission for a proposal that has the full support of professional Officers and you know that decision could mean the client gives up and therefore you lose business as a consequence.

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Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 12:26:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 15:52:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 16:17:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 16:29:00 Jon Hardy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:02:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:14:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:49:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd22/07/09 12:34:00 Simon Anderson
   Called by today and this is what I found...16/05/09 23:52:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Called by today and this is what I found...17/05/09 04:41:00 Audrey Walton
         Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...17/05/09 11:41:00 Simon Anderson
            Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...22/05/09 14:33:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 07:34:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 08:15:00 Tim Henderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 11:46:00 Simon Anderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 06:27:00 Jon Hardy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 08:22:00 Sarah Felstead
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 11:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 11:44:00 Jon Hardy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:00:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:12:00 Jon Hardy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 13:10:00 Adam Beamish
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:07:00 Simon Anderson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:41:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:57:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:22:00 Simon Anderson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:34:00 Adam Beamish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...02/06/09 17:57:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...02/06/09 22:06:00 Jon Hardy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...03/06/09 10:14:00 Simon Anderson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 13:32:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 17:05:00 Clo Ryan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 18:17:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 20:02:00 George Brooks
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...03/06/09 23:57:00 Tim Henderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 01:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 01:17:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 10:33:00 Simon Anderson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 10:53:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 12:38:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 12:39:00 Simon Groves
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 17:21:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 21:08:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 21:46:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 21:43:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 22:39:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 23:13:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 14:43:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 15:58:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 20:27:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 21:21:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 21:25:00 Tim Henderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 10:31:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 18:53:00 Tim Henderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 20:05:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 09:44:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 11:28:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 11:38:00 Sarah Felstead
            Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:01:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:06:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:36:00 Simon Anderson
                     Breaking the Rules Still19/06/09 12:19:00 Simon Anderson
                        Re:Breaking the Rules Still19/06/09 15:54:00 Adam Beamish
                           Re:Re:Breaking the Rules Still20/06/09 09:49:00 Sarah Felstead
                              We are Liars and he is Ignorant20/06/09 13:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                 How Rude25/06/09 14:18:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:How Rude25/06/09 21:35:00 Tim Henderson
                                       Trolleys By Our Stairs07/07/09 14:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs07/07/09 14:32:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 15:53:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 15:56:00 Colin Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 16:02:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:25:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:48:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:56:00 Colin Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 19:51:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/07/09 17:49:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/07/09 18:14:00 Simon Anderson
   Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 11:48:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 14:28:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 14:52:00 Sarah Felstead
            Re:Re:Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 15:51:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/07/09 22:19:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/07/09 22:20:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:23:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:43:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 15:25:00 Simon Anderson
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:43:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 12:01:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 12:01:00 Simon Anderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 13:46:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 13:48:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 14:19:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 14:58:00 Jon Hardy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 15:13:00 Simon Anderson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 16:58:00 Simon Anderson
                              1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:47:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:47:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:58:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:59:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 21:08:00 Jim Linwood
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 21:26:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN15/07/09 10:36:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 11:33:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 15:31:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 16:46:00 Anthony Waller
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 16:50:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 20:41:00 Jim Linwood
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 14:53:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 17:52:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 18:30:00 Simon Anderson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 12:15:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 12:40:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 14:18:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd24/07/09 16:59:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd26/07/09 12:06:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 12:03:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:01:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:10:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:14:00 Simon Anderson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 14:07:00 Adam Beamish
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 17:09:00 Tim Henderson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 18:24:00 Adam Beamish
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/08/09 22:04:00 Tim Henderson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/08/09 23:15:00 Adam Beamish
   Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 15:22:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 18:16:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 19:09:00 Jim Linwood
            Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 19:21:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?21/10/09 12:17:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?11/12/10 15:05:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?11/12/10 21:51:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:22:00 Adam Beamish
                           :Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:38:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:59:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 18:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 20:30:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 10:14:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 16:17:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 22:32:00 Adam Beamish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 23:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 08:18:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 09:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 10:52:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/11/13 12:47:00 Tim Henderson

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