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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd
Posted by: Tim Henderson
Date/Time: 04/06/09 21:08:00

I didn't mention in my posting of excerpts from the Jan 2006 planning decision the restriction on unloading times (no deliveries before 8am). I was reminded of this as I hoiked my bike onto the wall to lock it to the stair railings at 7.24am this morning (after voting) and the British Bakeries lorry pulled up at my back!

Thanks to Adam for pointing out the subsequent application dealt with at the November 2006 IBAC Planning meeting. That sought to change the delivery point from the roller shutter doors in the back of the store to the front door and in so doing it removed 7 car parking spaces. The application also sought to extend the delivery term an hour earlier to 7am.

The officer's report suggested agreeing the application - but my reading of the minutes is that Phil Andrews argued against changing the conditions on delivery time and Matt Harmer suggested splitting the application, allowing the front door delivery but refusing the extended times.

It appears that the front forecourt area is within the curtilage of the development appplication - but presumably it is meant to be managed by the shadowy unknown freeholder rather than Tesco, who only have one of the four units.

What sanctions are able to be exercised against the shadow ?
If the conditions are not met, can the council enforce that deliveries revert to the back of the store ?
And how can I get the shadow to provide six bike parking stands and two disabled car parking bays ?

I hope Simon added this morning's bread van to his diary of out-of-hours deliveries (and if he has a moment to pop down to the Civic Centre in office hours and see if he can get a glance at the application drawings ? Boreham's Drawing No 205232/6/A ? I'd be interested in how the scheme (and the bike park) was supposed to work).

Tesco appear to have put in several more recent applications for extended hours deliveries and it seems something they are keen to get legally. (The planning index seems to indicate that they may have appealed against the Council's refusal but I couldn't see a record of the appeal result.) I wonder what the chances are of Simon and the tenants negotiating a decent outcome where they trade a modest extension in delivery times (7.30 ?) in exchange for proper signage for proper car parking spaces, protection of the front door, a bike park for me and .............

The agenda report included :

4.5 It is now proposed that servicing vehicles will utilise the two existing crossovers adjacent to the London Road frontage and deliver to the front of the shops. An existing
crossover would be closed. A row of five car parking spaces on the frontage would be created to allow a delivery vehicle to access the service road and exit in a forward
manner. A one-way system would be implemented. The reduction in the frontage parking would reduce the overall number of parking spaces for the four units from 30 to 23. Two spaces for people with disabilities and six cycle parking spaces are to be provided.



7.4 UDP parking standards would require 14 spaces plus loading and unloading space for the four retail units and there would be 23 spaces provided on the overall site. The
majority of the spaces are now proposed to the rear with a reduction in the number on the frontage that would alleviate noise and disturbance to residents living above. Cycle parking would be provided.



Minutes:


Members were informed that there were 12 flats above the application site and that the rear of the site would be laid out for parking, but that only part of this had been completed to date. The Planning Department had also requested that the existing “Tesco Only Parking” sign be removed. Referring to the addendum report Cathy Gallagher confirmed that there was no evidence of that vehicle deliveries had been made out of hours in the past.

Councillor Reid drew attention to photographs submitted by a local resident, showing a large Tesco delivery van, the top of which was level with residents’ windows on the upper floors. Councillor Hibbs agreed that this sized delivery van seemed excessively large for such a small store. Cathy Gallagher suggested that any restriction on the size of the delivery van would only be governed by the size of the available parking/ loading space and was outside the planning remit.

Councillor P. Andrews proposed refusal of the officer’s recommendation, on grounds that the original conditions had been imposed to protect residents and Tesco had not demonstrated to date that it could mitigate the impact on residents. Councillor Harmer requested a separation of the two variation requests, supporting refusal of the variation to Condition 3 and moving approval of Condition 6, which members supported. 

Resolved:

That the variation of Condition 3 of planning permission 00707/317-331/P2 (change of use from car dealership to 4 x A1 retail units) to allow for the relaxation of hours of servicing to allow deliveries between 7.00 and 20.00 Monday to Saturday and 10.00 and 16.00 on Sundays and Bank Holidays be refused, on grounds that it would lead to intensification of activity and further impact on local residents.







That the variation of Condition 6 of planning permission 00707/317-331/P2 (change of use from car dealership to 4 x A1 retail units) to allow the loading, unloading and turning and parking spaces to be laid out without accordance with the approved servicing and parking plan be approved, subject to the completion of the parking layout to the rear of the building and the removal of the “Tescos Only Parking” sign.

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Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 12:26:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 15:52:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/05/09 16:17:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 16:29:00 Jon Hardy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:02:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:14:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/05/09 19:49:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd22/07/09 12:34:00 Simon Anderson
   Called by today and this is what I found...16/05/09 23:52:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Called by today and this is what I found...17/05/09 04:41:00 Audrey Walton
         Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...17/05/09 11:41:00 Simon Anderson
            Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...22/05/09 14:33:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 07:34:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 08:15:00 Tim Henderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...31/05/09 11:46:00 Simon Anderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 06:27:00 Jon Hardy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 08:22:00 Sarah Felstead
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 11:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 11:44:00 Jon Hardy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:00:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:12:00 Jon Hardy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 12:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 13:10:00 Adam Beamish
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:07:00 Simon Anderson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:41:00 Sarah Felstead
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 15:57:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:22:00 Simon Anderson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:34:00 Adam Beamish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...02/06/09 17:57:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...02/06/09 22:06:00 Jon Hardy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...03/06/09 10:14:00 Simon Anderson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 13:32:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 16:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 17:05:00 Clo Ryan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 18:17:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...01/06/09 20:02:00 George Brooks
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...03/06/09 23:57:00 Tim Henderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 01:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 01:17:00 Adam Beamish
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 10:33:00 Simon Anderson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 10:53:00 Adam Beamish
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Called by today and this is what I found...04/06/09 12:38:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 12:39:00 Simon Groves
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 17:21:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 21:08:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd04/06/09 21:46:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 21:43:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 22:39:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/06/09 23:13:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 14:43:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 15:58:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 20:27:00 Tim Henderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 21:21:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/06/09 21:25:00 Tim Henderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 10:31:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 18:53:00 Tim Henderson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/06/09 20:05:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 09:44:00 Jim Linwood
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 11:28:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/06/09 11:38:00 Sarah Felstead
            Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:01:00 Tim Henderson
               Re:Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:06:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Tesco makes delivery times later17/06/09 18:36:00 Simon Anderson
                     Breaking the Rules Still19/06/09 12:19:00 Simon Anderson
                        Re:Breaking the Rules Still19/06/09 15:54:00 Adam Beamish
                           Re:Re:Breaking the Rules Still20/06/09 09:49:00 Sarah Felstead
                              We are Liars and he is Ignorant20/06/09 13:16:00 Simon Anderson
                                 How Rude25/06/09 14:18:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:How Rude25/06/09 21:35:00 Tim Henderson
                                       Trolleys By Our Stairs07/07/09 14:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs07/07/09 14:32:00 Simon Anderson
                                             Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 15:53:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 15:56:00 Colin Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Trolleys By Our Stairs08/07/09 16:02:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:25:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:48:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 16:56:00 Colin Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/07/09 19:51:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/07/09 17:49:00 Sarah Felstead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd09/07/09 18:14:00 Simon Anderson
   Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 11:48:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 14:28:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 14:52:00 Sarah Felstead
            Re:Re:Re:Reply from Tesco Customer service Dundee10/07/09 15:51:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/07/09 22:19:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/07/09 22:20:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:23:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:43:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 15:25:00 Simon Anderson
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd12/07/09 12:43:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 12:01:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 12:01:00 Simon Anderson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 13:46:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 13:48:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 14:19:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 14:58:00 Jon Hardy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 15:13:00 Simon Anderson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd14/07/09 16:58:00 Simon Anderson
                              1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:47:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:47:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:58:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 19:59:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 21:08:00 Jim Linwood
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN14/07/09 21:26:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1930pm Bin Full Rubbish all over the Forecourt AGAIN15/07/09 10:36:00 Simon Anderson
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 11:33:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 15:31:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 16:46:00 Anthony Waller
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 16:50:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd15/07/09 20:41:00 Jim Linwood
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 14:53:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 17:52:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd16/07/09 18:30:00 Simon Anderson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 12:15:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 12:40:00 Simon Anderson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd17/07/09 14:18:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd24/07/09 16:59:00 Simon Anderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd26/07/09 12:06:00 Simon Anderson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 12:03:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:01:00 Simon Anderson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:10:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 13:14:00 Simon Anderson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 14:07:00 Adam Beamish
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 17:09:00 Tim Henderson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd27/07/09 18:24:00 Adam Beamish
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/08/09 22:04:00 Tim Henderson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Tesco Express London Rd10/08/09 23:15:00 Adam Beamish
   Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 15:22:00 Sarah Felstead
      Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 18:16:00 Simon Anderson
         Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 19:09:00 Jim Linwood
            Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/10/09 19:21:00 Simon Anderson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?21/10/09 12:17:00 Simon Anderson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?11/12/10 15:05:00 Simon Anderson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?11/12/10 21:51:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:22:00 Adam Beamish
                           :Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:38:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?12/12/10 23:59:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 18:31:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 20:30:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?13/12/10 10:14:00 Adam Beamish
                                 Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 16:17:00 Simon Anderson
                                    Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 22:32:00 Adam Beamish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?14/12/10 23:00:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 08:18:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 09:03:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:Just wondered how you are getting on with this, Simon?15/12/10 10:52:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Tesco Express London Rd08/11/13 12:47:00 Tim Henderson

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