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Topic: Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 13/11/10 14:52:00

Dawn

It was good to see you at the Legion and I am sorry to hear that you have been suffering with bronchitis - I do hope the two events were unconnected.  I am pleased that you would appear to have overcome the condition and are fighting fit once again.

Your disappointment at the nature of the meeting was obvious Dawn but with respect I do think the misunderstanding was yours.  You told the meeting that you had come to "have a go" and expressed your disappointment that there were no council officers present, but I don't that anybody had ever suggested to you there would be. 

It was a meeting of LBH Watch, and council officers do not attend although we have had a couple of councillors come along on a previous occasion and others have indicated that they may do in the future.

I do not recognise the alleged instructions about LBH Watch not being permitted to "criticise" or "antagonise" the council.  I can assure you that when required we have done both and the reaction towards LBH Watch by some Labour and ersatz Labour councillors, past and present, on this forum bears testimony to this.

But any criticisms we make must be constructive, intelligently made and, most of all, reasonable.  We could have spent the entire duration of the meeting shouting at one another about the things we believed to be wrong with the local authority, but although this approach may make some feel better it would not have achieved a thing.  The approach preferred by LBH Watch is patient, measured, logicial, organised and clinical and in my view that is entirely the right way to go about things.

I also feel it would be inappropriate for a group such as LBH Watch to single out a particular political party for criticism as you seem to suggest we should.  Despite the untypically modest turnout (the list of apologies submitted on this occasion was actually longer than the attendance list) we had people present from all of the major political parties in Hounslow, and I would not be happy for LBH Watch to risk alienating any of those very sincere and useful people by turning what is supposed to be a constructive initiative designed to help introduce some transparency into our local government into some kind of narrow political crusade. 

We will inevitably during the course of our work upset those who feel they have a personal or political interest in resisting any move towards greater transparency but I believe it is important that we recognise this to be a cultural battle as opposed to a party political one.

One should remember too that many of the problems we face from elements within the Lampton Road bureaucracy have not just arisen during the last six months.  The appalling treatment meted out to Nick Marbrow in labelling him a "vexatious complainant", for instance, came about during the coalition administration, as did a similar attempt to prevent Christine Diwell of The Isleworth Society from contacting the council on behalf of hundreds of local residents whom she represents.  The latter didn't happen solely because the ICG made it clear that we would not tolerate it and would bring the whole matter to a head if it wasn't instantly dropped, but what was perhaps most telling about this whole experience was the preparedness of certain chief officers to challenge the Community Engagement agenda head-on even during the coalition administration.  One cannot blame Labour councillors for this.

Dawn, if you prefer a more vigorous approach there will be a new initiative in the New Year which I feel may be more to your taste and I will keep you posted on that one.  But LBH Watch is the wrong vehicle for table-thumping protest and nobody would be helping its cause by trying to push it in that direction.


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New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???21/09/10 18:38:00 Dawn Hardy
   Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???21/09/10 20:18:00 Neil Chippendale
      Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???22/09/10 09:32:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???22/09/10 09:45:00 Jim Linwood
            Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???22/09/10 09:57:00 Dawn Hardy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???22/09/10 12:36:00 Ian Speed
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???22/09/10 15:46:00 Dawn Hardy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 06:22:00 Neil Chippendale
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 18:09:00 Dawn Hardy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 06:22:00 Neil Chippendale
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 06:29:00 Neil Chippendale
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 18:13:00 Dawn Hardy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/09/10 21:27:00 Richard Jennings
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 12:06:00 Dawn Hardy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 12:08:00 Ian Speed
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 12:44:00 Dawn Hardy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 12:52:00 Ian Speed
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 13:13:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 14:15:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 14:25:00 John Connelly
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 14:57:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:20:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:22:00 Ian Speed
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 12:30:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 16:38:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 18:47:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:08:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:18:00 Ian Speed
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:39:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 13:16:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 13:34:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 14:30:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 11:43:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 12:33:00 Hazel Dakers
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 17:04:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 16:51:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:02:00 Dawn Hardy
   Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???24/09/10 15:29:00 Hazel Dakers
      Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 12:06:00 Ian Speed
      Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 13:12:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 13:23:00 Hazel Dakers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 13:50:00 Dawn Hardy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???25/09/10 14:25:00 Hazel Dakers
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 12:14:00 Dawn Hardy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 12:36:00 Hazel Dakers
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 17:39:00 Dawn Hardy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 18:58:00 Hazel Dakers
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 19:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 20:48:00 Hazel Dakers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 20:53:00 Robin Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 20:55:00 Hazel Dakers
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 20:15:00 Dawn Hardy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 20:53:00 Hazel Dakers
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???17/11/10 23:23:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???26/09/10 18:28:00 Dawn Hardy
   Brentford Library  and othe related matters25/09/10 16:21:00 John Todd
      Re:Brentford Library  and othe related matters25/09/10 16:23:00 Ian Speed
         Re:Re:Brentford Library  and othe related matters25/09/10 16:32:00 Hazel Dakers
            Re:Re:Re:Brentford Library  and othe related matters26/09/10 16:28:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:Re:Brentford Library  and othe related matters26/09/10 16:18:00 Dawn Hardy
      Re:Brentford Library  and othe related matters26/09/10 15:42:00 Dawn Hardy
   CIP25/09/10 16:45:00 John Todd
      Re:CIP25/09/10 21:18:00 John Connelly
         Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 01:58:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 17:00:00 Dawn Hardy
            Re:Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 18:51:00 Hazel Dakers
               Re:Re:Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 19:42:00 Dawn Hardy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 20:47:00 Hazel Dakers
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CIP26/09/10 20:51:00 Dawn Hardy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HAVE I BEEN CENSORED27/09/10 13:50:00 Dawn Hardy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HAVE I BEEN CENSORED27/09/10 13:56:00 Hazel Dakers
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HAVE I BEEN CENSORED27/09/10 14:06:00 Dawn Hardy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HAVE I BEEN CENSORED27/09/10 14:11:00 Hazel Dakers
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HAVE I BEEN CENSORED27/09/10 14:37:00 Dawn Hardy
                                       Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space13/11/10 12:20:00 Dawn Hardy
                                          Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space13/11/10 14:52:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space13/11/10 16:16:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space13/11/10 16:43:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space13/11/10 17:39:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space14/11/10 00:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         I have a question14/11/10 09:53:00 Tony Wood
                                                            Re:I have a question14/11/10 16:36:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                               Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 09:36:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 09:53:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 17:00:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 17:14:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 16:27:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 16:46:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:I have a question14/11/10 21:17:00 Neil Chippendale
                                                               Re:Re:I have a question15/11/10 16:02:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space14/11/10 17:08:00 Dawn Hardy
                                                            Third Party query14/11/10 18:16:00 John Todd
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space14/11/10 22:33:00 Robin Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I am back after Bronchitas and answer's are still needed! Watch this space15/11/10 02:10:00 Phil Andrews
   LBH Accounts;  a response  for Mr T Wood16/11/10 06:45:00 John Todd
      Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Tony16/11/10 13:27:00 Tony Wood
         Re:Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Tony16/11/10 17:50:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Tony16/11/10 18:42:00 Tony Wood
      Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Mr T Wood17/11/10 13:39:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Mr T Wood17/11/10 15:36:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Mr T Wood18/11/10 13:14:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:LBH Accounts;  18/11/10 08:08:00 John Todd
            Re:Re:LBH Accounts;  18/11/10 18:24:00 Dawn Hardy
         Re:Re:LBH Accounts;   a response  for Mr T Wood18/11/10 18:22:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???16/11/10 12:57:00 Ian Speed
      Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???16/11/10 17:51:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:New Book Donations to Brentford Library are being refused WHY???23/01/11 15:55:00 Dawn Hardy

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